Re: Re: cvs: php4 / TODO

Here are my own personal comments, directed to no one in general and certainly in response to nothing in general :) :) There is that unfortunate mindset, that's repeated often: that PHP is only good for small and medium sites. PHP, and Java and JSP and just about anything you can think of, are tools, designed to do something, and do it well. Are there shortcoming in PHP? Sure. But I tend to believe that there are more in Java. The fact that a saw can cut, but a hammer can't, doesn't make the hammer a worthless tool ;) Is the object model what's really required? No, not really. But PHP 4 was designed to not break compatibility with PHP 3. I don't think anyone is incredibly happy with it. But PHP isn't designed to BE an object oriented language. There are very few things intrinsic to Java/JSP that make it "better" suited to large, complex sites. One here's that it's "impossible to separate the business logic from the display logic" a lot. But what is it specifically, for example, in JSP that _does_ allow it? For real separation, it shouldn't matter _at all_ what is being used for either implementation. If it does, then the whole idea of separation is bogus. Not to say that PHP shouldn't continue to grow and evolve. There should be an abstraction that PHP isn't so server-resident. Better Java interoperability is good. Taking some clues from the transaction nature of Java application servers is wise as well. But saying PHP != Java and therefore for PHP to succeed, it must become more Java-like... well, I think that's foolish and will end up with PHP being a cheap Java clone. Heck, it's not like Java is perfectly suited to what it's being assigned to do, either from an application or design standpoint, although certainly resources are now being put in that directly. So Yes to growing PHP! But No to making it Java: "... And he that breaks a thing to find out what it is has left the path of wisdom" :) :) -- Jim Jagielski << jim@jaguNET.com >> | http://www.jaguNET.com/ j a g u N E T A c c e s s S e r v i c e s, L L C Voice: 410-420-0140 FAX: 410-803-2258 "Ah! I see you have the machine that goes Bing!"