Re: Re: Zend + Eclipse + Standized Framework

Jochem Maas wrote:

Roman Ivanov wrote:

Greg Donald wrote:

Maybe Zend will get it right where all the previous attempts I've seen/used are less than great.

Personally, I would start creation of PHP framework by cleaning up PHP sytax. It's freakin' impossible to make complex OOP clean:

there is plenty wrong with php, but none of your comments are even vaguely relevant. btw you can 'clean up the syntax' - just don't expect it to ever make it into the official build.

This comment is irrelevant. If I can install recompiled PHP on the machine, than I can install any other scripting engine with less hustle.

$this->output(array('dir', 'template'), &new BlaBla($this->bla));

this is supposed to prove what exactly?

Examples illustrate, they do not have to prove anything.

apart from the fact that OO in php is not something you are very familiar with for starters if you want to do OO in php these days you should be using php5 (assuming you don't have a mountain of existing php4 OO code you have to work with - if you do then moaning about syntax is completely pointless... php4 is is 'bugfix only')

This whole paragraph amounts to "OMG, you're lame, so STFU". It has nothing to do with issues of PHP syntax.

the '&' sign for passing objects around in php5 is unnecessary because objects are always passed around as references.

Fair enough. $this->output(array('dir', 'template'), new BlaBla($this->bla)); So PHP 5 eliminates 1 (one) character from _this particular example_.

and if you really know that you need a reference to a reference you skill level should at the very least be such that 'freakin' impossible' is not relevant at all.

Another personal attack, plus you take my words out of context. The original statement was: "It's freakin' impossible to make complex OOP clean". You did not disprove it in any way.