Re: Why JSP is better than PHP >>

All things in life are indeed a matter of preference and background, but this has been my experience: 1. Everything I need to do or foresee needing to do I can do with PHP, and there is no way in hell I am moving to an NT platform (I haven't used JSP and don't know if it runs under Linux). 2. I use an enormous amount of non-PHP libraries in my PHP programming: LibSWF for dynamic flash content, JPEG for images, GD for images, SSL for security, Mcrypt for encryption, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc... 3. I think in large measure clean code is a function of the programmer and not the language, but I find my PHP code very easy to read, debug, and maintain. I have never had a page ignore my objects and just use a variable. 4. I really like the language and syntax of PHP. I haven't seen JSP, but PHP is my preferred language above any other I program in (PERL, C++, Delphi...). 5. Of course Java programmers are going to prefer JSP. And people with a Unix/Linux background are going to prefer PHP. 6. That's funny, PHP uses an amazing new technology called an include. If my code gets too big, I stick it in its own file somewhere else (which doesn't have to be in web space, accecible by the browser) and access it that way, in functions usually. And I can execute the code from within HTML space, from the command line, remotely over the Internet, or secure remotely using SSH. I feel liberated in this manner, not restricted. 7. Once thing I despise in Micro$oft solutions (and the like) is their attempt to "automatically do the right thing". I want control, not baby-sitting. If that means 1 more line of code, fine. Granted PHP session management and cookies may take an afternoon to learn (for anyone that can read and use a search engine), but once you have mastered it (by the following morning) it works fine after that. As a programmer and business owner I would be stupid not to look into JSP, particulary where it integrates with Apache. But it would have to have a lot to offer to get me to forsake PHP. PHP has been very good to me, and has changed the way I do business. HTH, Brian > Forgive me for a rehashed topic but the following has > been thrust into my face by a guy who was born with > Java skills and is still using the bloatware - > > ----------------- > Here is a list of reasons why JSP is better than PHP: > > 1. Anything you can do with PHP, you can do with JSP; > the reverse is not true > > 2. JSP is much more powerful, since it has access to > all the Java libraries. PHP only has access to PHP > libraries > > 3. JSP is Object-Oriented, so leads to cleaner code > that's easier to debug, maintain, and improve. (PHP > also allows objects, but the object model is more > primitive, and most scripted pages ignore PHP objects > and just use normal variables.) > > 4. The equivalent syntax in JSP is just as simple to > learn, so you can get up and running just as quickly > -- that is, there's no extra startup cost in using > Java, at least not a significant one > > 5. Java programmers (as opposed to 15-year-old hackers > or HTML monkeys) appreciate the importance of a clean > language with complex OO data structures and strong > typing > > 6. With JSP, if the code inside a page gets too big, > or if you want to use it elsewhere, you can cut it > out, make it into a Java class, and invoke it from > anywhere in your application (even not from a page). > With PHP, you're stuck inside the HTML box. > > 7. JSP's concept of state management and persistence > is more explicit and powerful than PHP's. With JSP, > you can specify whether a variable persists for the > page, the request, the session, or the application (or > if it's just local to the function). The JSP engine > automatically does the right thing with cookies so you > have access to the variable on later requests. With > PHP, you just have "global" and "not global", you > don't have automatic session management, and have to > do your state thing manually with cookies or hidden > variables. > > ----------- > > > Please help! How can I talk back? I would appreciate > any guidelines and advice. > > Cheers/erick > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! > http://calendar.yahoo.com/ > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribe@lists.php.net > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-help@lists.php.net > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-admin@lists.php.net