RE: [PHP] '<?=' History / Info request

You are mixing 2 things Philip. <? ?> is short tag form for <?php ?> If you <?='dfdf';?> you are essentially putting code immediately after your opening tag. eg <?echo 'stuff'?> <?$a=$b?> <?phpinfo()?> are also all valid. This does not mean that there is suddenly a new command called <?= its just that its parsing <?= to mean Start PHP Code, echo whatever Note, if you use <?php ?> form, you must leave a space after the <?php, because the parser has no way of knowing if you mean <?php or another arbitrary tag. Always use <?php ?> form. If you have asp on your server as well, you could use <?asp ?> <?php ?> as valid formats, if you used <? ?> form, then you won't know what parser is running the code. (until it runs it with the wrong one and belches loudly all over the web browser!). Cheers, Lawrence. -----Original Message----- From: Maxim Maletsky [mailto:maxim.maletsky@japaninc.net] Sent: November 17, 2000 12:32 PM To: Maxim Maletsky; 'Philip Olson'; Lawrence.Sheed@dfait-maeci.gc.ca Cc: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: RE: [PHP] '<?=' History / Info request P.S: isn't short_open_tag in PHP.ini mean the switch between <? ?> and <?php ?> ? I guess this is what it means ... Correct me please ... Cheers, Maxim Maletsky -----Original Message----- From: Maxim Maletsky Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 1:28 PM To: 'Philip Olson'; Lawrence.Sheed@dfait-maeci.gc.ca Cc: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: RE: [PHP] '<?=' History / Info request I had never touched short_open_tag in PHP.ini and <?=$var?> outputs me $var perfectly. So I guess who would turn it off would know why script doesn't work. However to be 100% compatible use: <?PHP echo $var?> Yes, it looks 'longer' but that's the price of portability. I am SURE at 195% that in this way it will always work, or PHP is not then PHP ... Cheers, Maxim Maletsky. -----Original Message----- From: Philip Olson [mailto:philip@theprojects.org] Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 12:41 PM To: Lawrence.Sheed@dfait-maeci.gc.ca Cc: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: RE: [PHP] '<?=' History / Info request Hey Lawrence- Actually I understand the difference and that is not my question, it is the history of this feature of <?= AND I do believe it can be turned off with : short_open_tag = 'off'; And this is why many do not use it that and it is not a php3 feature BUT I am not 100% certain of this so am asking. It's pretty undocumented. Thanks, Philip -- be outside the box. On Thu, 16 Nov 2000 Lawrence.Sheed@dfait-maeci.gc.ca wrote: > <? ?> > > Is for short tags, you should use > > <?php ?> to be totally compliant with all web servers. > > ="xxx"; essentially means echo > > so > > <?='history ...'?> > > will echo history... > > I think you're confusing two seperate things as one thing. > > Use > > <?php ?> for code start / end > > use > > ='xxx'; > or > echo 'xxx'; > > if you're feeling lazy > > Personally I wouldn't use the ='xxx'; style, because its not as readable, > and not everyone knows it. If you work with other people, its good to make > code as readable as possible. > > saving 4 keystrokes isn't really a saving in the long term. > > Perl hackers may disagree here, but hey, I think some of my perl stuff looks > like line noise after i've written it! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Philip Olson [mailto:philip@theprojects.org] > Sent: November 17, 2000 11:28 AM > To: php-general@lists.php.net > Subject: [PHP] '<?=' History / Info request > > > Hi! I do not use this <?= because I know not all accept its use but *who* > doesn't? Thus far I find some information but only through humans, no > docs : > > Warning : Assumptions are just that, assumptions. Fairly certain they > are true but ... not 100% sure. > > Assumptions : > ------------- > A. PHP4 Specific. > B. If short_open_tag = 'off' in php.ini then this short cut is disabled > C. It acts as echo , not print > > Questions : > ------------- > A. What version did this come about exactly, 4.0.0 ? > B. What are some reasons one would disable short tags? > C. Is there a way to bypass a short tags setting so that it'll work, > like in an included config file? .htaccess is fine but ideally > a check like 'if short tags off then enable short tags.' although i > suppose this would defeat the purpose of 'off'. Hmm. > D. Could this "bypass" easily be done on php3 parsers as well? I assume > no way but will ask anyways as I am paranoid. Can think of ways to > 'convert' but they involve work. Boo work. > > Comments : > ------------- > AFAIK this is not mentioned anywhere in the manual but of course should > be. I found reference to the ASP style shortcut of <%= but not this. > Also, <?= is not mentioned as a short tag in short tag settings. I > understand this is no doubt on the TODO list to document but I am curious > now! Would be nice if more time existed, bah, stupid time :-) > > References : > ------------- > Should be mentioned here as a short tag for echo , as well as in default > php.ini setting : > - > http://www.php.net/manual/configuration.php#ini.short-open-tag > > Briefly mentions <%= (ASP Style) but not <?= (PHP Style) but should : > - http://www.php.net/manual/language.basic-syntax.php > > If a short cut for echo() it may as well be mentioned here too: > - http://www.php.net/manual/function.echo.php > > Can't find mention in changelogs : > - PHP4 : http://php.net/ChangeLog-4.php > - PHP3 : http://php.net/ChangeLog.php3 > > Thank you, with this cleared up perhaps I, along with others, will use > this -- when applicable. > > TIA, > > Philip Olson > > > > -- > be outside the box. > > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribe@lists.php.net > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-help@lists.php.net > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-admin@lists.php.net > -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribe@lists.php.net For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-help@lists.php.net To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-admin@lists.php.net -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribe@lists.php.net For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-help@lists.php.net To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-admin@lists.php.net -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribe@lists.php.net For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-help@lists.php.net To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-admin@lists.php.net