RE: [PHP] ORM doctrine

> -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Lind [mailto:peter.e.lind@gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 6:24 AM > To: Tommy Pham > Cc: php-general List > Subject: Re: [PHP] ORM doctrine > > On Friday, 10 December 2010, Tommy Pham <tommyhp2@gmail.com> > wrote: > > * snup * > > > The way I see it is this: > > > > 1) Thorough understanding of the problem: needs of the client/company, > > programming language in use, etc. > > 2) Thorough understanding of the objective of the application: answer > > the needs, capable of possible future growth/expandability, etc. > > 3) Well thought out application design to resolve the above 2: > > framework, mixed, or no framework. > > > > Thus, IMHO, caching is needed when one fails to fully meet the above 3 > > such as when the user clicks on any link in the browser, it should > > take no more than 3 seconds for the browser's status to be 'Done', > > provided that the user isn't on some 56k modem connection ;). > > Always use a cache. Not using a cache means you've misunderstood some > fundamental points. > > Regards > Peter > > > -- > <hype> > WWW: plphp.dk / plind.dk > LinkedIn: plind > BeWelcome/Couchsurfing: Fake51 > Twitter: kafe15 > </hype> I understand cache well, both the benefits (save DB trip) and shortfalls (outdated by DB, management, etc.). Most of the apps that I've seen so far used cache to solve a problem that shouldn't happen in the 1st place. For example, during recent my quest looking PHP MVC framework and sample apps, I saw OpenCart, an e-commerce app based on custom MVC framework. Installed it for a test run. It looks good and seems to perform well with the included sample data. Then I filled up some more sample data: over 3000 categories, over 2000 manufacturers, over 300,000 products. No other changes made such specials, features, etc. Although the app supports i18n, the sample data is just one language for a decent DB size of about 100MB. The app took over 30 seconds to respond for any link. Then I disable the cache and began debugging. I made 1 minor addition to the DB and 1 minor change in the code base - parts on 1 line - I shorten the response time by about 10 seconds. What I just did proved my 2nd and 3rd point :) Regards, Tommy