RE: [PHP] Zend hit (Encoder price)

I haven't read all the posts, but as you stated>.... Charge $6000 to the big companies, I have no problem with that. I personally would be willing to pay that if web applications was my business. But at the same time, allow those who don't necessarily need to have the encoder but just want some code encoded to have an affordable solution. there is an alternative, Zend sells packages of 5 -20- and 100 uses of the encoder, in license packs.... for allot less.... granted the largest is still 1000 USD, but its less.... I'm sure that there are other alternatives to using the Zend encoder, (Obstruficating <SP?> is Rasmus's argument) but even using his method, there is a BIG possibility that anyone who wants to will find that hidden security measure, or your DB code, and rip it, hack it, slash it, and package it to profit from your work. We are in the process of creating a large project for distribution, and the encoder is paramount to the system we are designing.... without it, we don't have a chance in hell of keeping our security keys secure from prying eyes.... of course, we are one of those companies which can afford to drop 6G's at this program, but we weren't expecting it to run that high. I must say that Zend did a lousy PR job at promoting the system, but we need to use it. Dallas K. -----Original Message----- From: Michael A. Peters [mailto:mpeters@abriasoft.com] Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 11:40 AM To: php-general@lists.php.net Cc: zeev@zend.com Subject: RE: [PHP] Zend hit (Encoder price) My question is- Does the encoder license permit a company to purchase the license, and then optionally encode php for third parties? Can I, for example, encode purchase the encoder, and then make a deal with John who can't afford the encoder to encode John's web application for $150 and give John the encoded version? The answer, unfortunately, is no, at least as I read the commercial license. This is really too bad, if you ask me- as there are a lot of really bright kids out there who have seen that the Open Source model, while very noble and absolutely loved, doesn't always pay. Why then, should they develop using php if they are not capable of protecting their code if that's their choice? They'll be using Java or C/C++ or perl (which can be encoded for a lot less). There needs to be a solution where those who do not yet have big bucks can take advantage of the encoder to protect what their mind has conceived. Otherwise, they won't use php (or their code will be ripped off if its really really good) and zend will lose future market as these brilliant minds move towards affordable technology to protect what their intellectual work. Charge $6000 to the big companies, I have no problem with that. I personally would be willing to pay that if web applications was my business. But at the same time, allow those who don't necessarily need to have the encoder but just want some code encoded to have an affordable solution. On Thursday, January 25, 2001, at 05:26 AM, Sander Pilon wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > What do you think about Zend position? > > http://php.weblogs.com/ > > > > http://zend.com/phorum/read.php?num=3&id=6277&loc=0&thread=6277 > > > > I think that if Zend wants to sell it for $6000, then they have all right > to. These guys have worked hard, and they deserve some cash for it. > > If people can't afford it at $6000, then that's their problem. Software is > intellectual property, it shouldn't be free, and authors should be able to > charge any price for it they want to charge for it. > > But, I don't think it's a wise decision to sell it at $6000, personally I > think I would sell it between $1000 and $4000, but that's just me. ($6000 is > a bit on the high side, considering what alternatives one haves for that > price, and considering that anyone who paid $1000 a year back (I recall > something about 'sponsoring') gets it all.) > > -S > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribe@lists.php.net > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-help@lists.php.net > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-admin@lists.php.net > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Michael A. Peters Abriasoft Senior Developer (510) 623-9726x357 Fax: (510) 249-9125 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribe@lists.php.net For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-help@lists.php.net To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-admin@lists.php.net