Re: Pricing for PHP programming???

If you can deal with the obscene cost of living, here in Silicon Valley, California you can make ~80/hr doing being just a webmaster. ~100/hr for a GOOD coder, and ~120+/hr for a really good "real language" coder. That's obviously without benefits, options, guaranteed income, vacation, sick days, etc. -Szii ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan Sharp <webdev@flyerware.com> To: Philip Olson <philip@cornado.com>; Josh G <josh@gfunk007.com> Cc: PHP User Group <php-general@lists.php.net> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 6:26 PM Subject: RE: [PHP] Pricing for PHP programming??? > Yeah, I'm consulting though...but yes there are some other options...where > does it say $80/hour in the US?! > > -Jonathan > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Philip Olson [mailto:philip@cornado.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 6:05 PM > > To: Josh G > > Cc: PHP User Group > > Subject: Re: [PHP] Pricing for PHP programming??? > > > > > > > > One thing to keep in mind is we're mixing up contract jobs and "real" jobs > > with contract jobs usually being much higher rates. Not sure on any > > specifics though but real jobs are pretty secure, eight hours a day ... so > > it's a tradeoff. Most (if not all) quotes thus far are in regard to > > contract jobs. > > > > Philip > > > > On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Josh G wrote: > > > > > I hear you. Another thing that's hard to find, is somebody who is a > > > good programmer, and a good graphic designer. I don't really know > > > any, apart from myself, and I've been just shy of being called a lying > > > scumbag by a few HR companies over the years when they look at > > > my resume ;-) > > > > > > This thread has really fired up my desire to go the states.... US$80 > > > an hour for php.... daaaaaaaaaaaamn, that's a shitload more than I > > > make here, which is more like US$20/hr > > > > > > Gfunk - http://www.gfunk007.com/ > > > > > > I sense much beer in you. Beer leads to intoxication, intoxication to > > > hangovers, and hangovers to... suffering. > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jonathan Sharp" <webdev@flyerware.com> > > > To: <php-general@lists.php.net> > > > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 12:49 PM > > > Subject: RE: [PHP] Pricing for PHP programming??? > > > > > > > > > > I find this an interesting topic... > > > > > > > > One thing that we've found when looking for additional PHP > > programmers to > > > > add is that since PHP has exploded there are a lot of people out there > > > > coding in PHP that don't have a background in programming or > > some of the > > > > design considerations. We've looked at various places from > > techies.com to > > > > guru.com and haven't found that many PHP gurus out there. So > > in terms of > > > > skill level, what do you all see the going rate? I know I'm currently > > > > underpaid at $25/hour and I do ALL the PHP programming, project > > > management, > > > > engineering, database theory etc...oh...and did I mention I do all the > > > > network support too? (I'm taking my CCNA in June...) so yeah...we're a > > > > starup what did you expect?! =) > > > > > > > > Comments? > > > > > > > > Disclaimer: I don't mean to offend anyone out there who codes > > in PHP. But > > > > from the experience that I've had trying to find someone who > > can really > > > code > > > > clean, effecient stuff that plugs into the whole picture has been > > > virtually > > > > non-existent...(if you do, please call! We have a few openings!) > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > -Jonathan Sharp > > > > > > > > Director of Technology - Imprev Inc. > > > > Renwick Development Group - Flyerware > > > > http://www.flyerware.com/ > > > > Phone: (425)688-9200 > > > > Cell: (425)766-1398 > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Philip Olson [mailto:philip@cornado.com] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 5:40 PM > > > > To: Shane McBride > > > > Cc: php-general@lists.php.net > > > > Subject: Re: [PHP] Pricing for PHP programming??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Shane, > > > > > > > > This is a tricky issue, here's me (USD): > > > > > > > > $60/hr > > > > $30/hr if end result becomes open sourced (no strings) > > > > > > > > General discounts for features such as : fun,true > > non-profit,intelligent > > > > employer,learning curve and it all lives on a sliding scale > > depending on > > > > their ability to pay and my desire for work/money (time). > > Also, barter > > > > is usually an option. Usually hovers between 30-50 and one > > day this will > > > > go up :-) This is the most difficult part of the job, time estimates > > > > and pricing. Bah. "Just give me money and I'll do stuff." > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Philip Olson > > > > http://www.cornado.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 31, 2001 at 03:25:27PM -0500, Shane McBride wrote: > > > > > I know this is not really a PHP question, but it should > > make for a good > > > > > thread. :) > > > > > > > > > > I was wondering what other PHP people charge to write PHP? > > I have just > > > > > been given a project for a fairly large customer, much larger than I > > > > > normally do work for. So I am VERY confused.concerned about > > how to price > > > > > it. Most of my other PHP projects have been done for small > > single owners > > > > > businesses, and the PHP has been pretty basic. > > > > > > > > > > Now that I can actually do what I am being asked without > > have to learn > > > > > it, I am stuck. I did a shopping cart for someone, but I > > didn't charge > > > > > them a REAL price because I didn't know how to do it with > > PHP. So, I of > > > > > course didn't charge the client for my learning curve. > > > > > > > > > > I know the price is very dependant upon the task. What I am doing is > > > > > creating a web-based front-end for a MySQL database. I'll > > need to create > > > > > the database tables, etc. The front-end is going to be > > rather dynamic > > > > > since the data content depends largely on the previous > > choices of the > > > > > end-user. One or two tables with 20-30 fields. 5-6 pages of html and > > > > > PHP. > > > > > > > > > > I'm just scouting this out, and am VERY confident with the > > contributors > > > > > to this list and their opinions. > > > > > > > > > > TIA, > > > > > Shane > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribe@lists.php.net > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-help@lists.php.net > > > > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: > > php-list-admin@lists.php.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribe@lists.php.net > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-help@lists.php.net > > > > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: > > php-list-admin@lists.php.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribe@lists.php.net > > > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-help@lists.php.net > > > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-admin@lists.php.net > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribe@lists.php.net > > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-help@lists.php.net > > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-admin@lists.php.net > > > > > > > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribe@lists.php.net > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-help@lists.php.net > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-admin@lists.php.net