RE: [PHP] This PHP list

Typically I would never respond to this type of thread discussion, but it's one that gives me a great amount of frustration from time to time. I think this level of frustration stems from the fact that a lot of these 'newbie' questions are even more basic than a PHP newbie should be asking. Things that should be fairly evident to anyone who's done any level of development. The problem is we get people who don't know a lick about programming methodologies, logicical contructs, variables, or any general programming knowledge. I would never dream of asking "How do I edit data in a database?" Or "How do I display records from a database?" These are the types of things you should be familiar with beforehand. It's almost as if someone woke up one morning and decided Geee, I think I'll write a web application. It shouldn't matter that I've never programmed anything ever before, it's the web, anybody could do it...' Databases? nah, I don't need to know anything about databases, I'll just write the code...' And it's not as if this is the only available resource. I downloaded and studied bits of code from everywhere when I decided to learn PHP. I read every article on Zend.com and phpBuilder.com... I bought a PHP book and a mySQL book... I actually took time out to 'learn' the language... and now I write PHP fairly fluently... I rarely ask questions here, but keep the emails to pick up a tip or two. Overall I love this list, but as I've said before, it is a bit frustrating as well.... At 05:02 PM 3/29/01 +1000, Peter Houchin wrote:

Being a newbie, and as i'm sure is the case with alot of other newbies, one that doesn't have a lot of programming back ground, ask stupid questions to this list because for some things that you find easy others, like my self, don't know what to look for in the manual ... so we ask it here... now if it wasn't for the more knowledgeable people on this list, I like many others, would be stuck with out any where to go .. So thanks to those of you that don't complain and crack the s#$@s when newbie become repetitive. Peter -----Original Message----- From: Ian Harris [mailto:iharris@quadtel.com] Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 4:36 PM To: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: [PHP] This PHP list I was hoping that this PHP list would be of people developing with PHP, who have reached some level of familiarity with the product and when they have had a fair go at solving a problem, they then posted it to the list. For example, we have a problem in our code where the last object in an array of objects sometimes vanishes into thin air depending on whether you comment-out a block of unrelated code further up the script. Unfortunately, this list is full of people with questions like "I want to access a database with PHP. Can someone please send me the source code". Does anyone know of any other PHP lists that are more suited to non-trivial, expert-related discussions? If there aren't any around, I'll start one on Yahoogroups or some other similar service. regards Ian. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribe@lists.php.net For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-help@lists.php.net To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-admin@lists.php.net