Re: History, "Dead" and community

YESSSSSS PLEASSSE WE NEED IT MAN --MGage-- > On Jun 23, 2015, at 4:48 AM, Mr L. Pegg <leon.pegg@gmail.com> wrote: > > Elizabeth, > > It's been a long time :D things have picked up here though the IRC > channel has remained rather quiet when ever i have popped in. > > As for the documentation I have a working knowledge of the system if > anyone is interested in learning but it would be much more advised to > upgrade the documentation to a new docbook version. > > Regards Leon > >> On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 5:22 PM, Gage Morgan <gagemorgan@outlook.com> wrote: >> Not for Long: >> >> We're gonna bring this back around, even if it kills us (I hope; this community needs >> some revitalization badly). Bruno is testing some stuff, and Alexandre is working on an actual >> implementation. I hope to help both at two points in time, particularly mid- to late-July. Thank you >> for your support, and I appreciate those of you that stayed theough the darker times to help usher >> me in. >> >> --MGage-- >> >>> On Jun 22, 2015, at 12:35 PM, Elizabeth M Smith <auroraeosrose@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi folks. >>> >>> The mailing list got REALLY busy all of the sudden. >>> >>> I've been having issues with php mailing lists (they REALLY don't like >>> my email) and just realized all the stuff going on here. >>> >>> First of all it's great to have people interested in the project. For >>> a LONG time it's been 1 or 2 people... with a few popping up here or >>> there to get interested and then moving on quickly (usually when they >>> realize how much work needs to be done) >>> >>> And although there's been someone keeping track of the actual code >>> itself - the website was completely abandoned (thanks for taking that >>> monstrosity on) and the documentation has been similarly abandoned >>> (it's in old docbook and uses xsl to generate) - the people who once >>> knew how that worked are gone >>> >>> There have actually been a couple of attempts to start up a php-gtk3 >>> project before. But it's a BIG undertaking and only having 1 or 2 >>> people work on it makes it difficult to get off the ground. >>> >>> There's also the fact that a fully introspected version of the >>> extension (like pythons gobject) have some pretty deep underlying >>> issues (mostly related to the typelibs and the fact that they are >>> strongly linked in many aspects to the python gobject wrapping >>> implementation) - which is why although there's a prototype of an >>> introspected solution it doesn't really work well. >>> >>> If you're interested in some of the code you can find it >>> https://github.com/gtkforphp/ - some of it was actually >>> working once >>> upon a time. >>> >>> I think it's a good idea to do a "new" gtk for php but I think there >>> are some things to keep in mind. >>> >>> 1. We do have an irc channel on freenode #php-gtk - this is a great >>> way to connect with the people who still work on the project and know >>> the code - not only the php-gtk code and php internals code, but the >>> gnome libraries as well. Especially when talking technical details >>> it's nice to do it in realtime. >>> 2. The project has never been completely dead - it just basically only >>> had one dev (who is poor at recruiting) for a long time - which is >>> never a good thing >>> 3. The php-gtk source code is on php.net and mirrored on github - >>> there have been some prs but not a lot - and none from the people now >>> currently conversing on the list - and it's also limited to the >>> problem of basically 1 developer to look at and pull them >>> 4. Discussions on the future should be all on list - not in private emails :) >>> >>> Some thoughts on a complete rewrite >>> >>> 1. a monolithic extension is not very useful - php-gtk should become >>> several small extensions >>> >>> right now php-gtk has wrappings for gtk, gdk, some glib, atk, some >>> cairo integration (although most of cairo was pulled into it's own >>> extension) and many others >>> >>> parts of glib, cairo, and other gnome libraries such as clutter make >>> sense to use not only in a gui environment, but even in a server >>> environment >>> >>> This would even allow for things like a gtk2 and gtk3 extension >>> >>> the extension(s) should probably mirror the underlying libraries >>> >>> glib, gobject, gio, cairo(exists, is getting a php7 fix), pango (also >>> exists), atk, gtk2, gtk3, gdk, clutter, gstreamer, etc. >>> >>> 2. If you're rewriting from scratch, a PHP7 only version is probably a good idea >>> >>> The internal apis of php have changed an incredible amount from 5 -> 7 >>> and it would be both very ugly and very hard to support both PHP7 and >>> PHP 5.6(and higher) in the same code base >>> >>> 3. PHP-gtk has very very few tests... and needs them >>> >>> This is probably as important as the rewrite - although you really >>> don't need to test the functionality of the gtk library itself, it IS >>> important to make sure the bindings are tight. >>> >>> As far as getting php-gtk commit karma, that's really not that hard >>> Submit some PR's - usually 2 or 3 good ones with tests >>> Discuss things on list and/or in IRC >>> As long as stuff doesn't break the build and works it gets pulled - >>> but remember right now there's 1 dev... so expect lag time (maybe a >>> week) until there are 2 or 3 or more devs capable of code reviewing, >>> building, and testing - because you need those checks >>> >>> If you need help getting an environment for compiling set up on >>> windows or linux - I'm happy to help. Pop into irc. If you're really >>> ambitious someone could update the documentation :) >>> >>> Also php-gtk could really use someone to roll releases. We actually >>> should have had about 3-4 - there's been new functionality added and >>> build fixes done and features integrated.. just no release. >>> >>> For example - there is complete gtkbuilder integration in the git >>> version of php-gtk (that's the format glade3 outputs btw) - but none >>> of that is documented beyond some demo files. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Elizabeth M Smith >>> >>> -- >>> PHP-GTK Development Mailing List (http://gtk.php.net/) >>> To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php >> >> -- >> PHP-GTK Development Mailing List (http://gtk.php.net/) >> To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php >>