Re: RFC: RFC Workflow & Voting (2019 update)

Hello and thanks for the RFC. I think the Eligible Voters Section is too complex to be addressed/bundled in this RFC. I think it deserves another RFC. Most discussions here are rightfully about this section. To add my opinion: * I don't understand the special treatment for PHP-FIG. This group first intent was to reflect the “major implementors point of view” in order to make common agreements/standards about some practises. Based on that, yes it makes sense to include PHP-FIG into the Eligible Voters group. However, some projects have decided to step away from PHP-FIG for various reasons I won't list here (I can mention sabre.io or hoa-project.net because I was/am involved in those projects). Thus, they are excluding themselves from the Eligible Voters group? It doesn't make sense, and it does not sound very democratic :-). * Some people don't contribute to the php-src repository (like myself), but create extensions, participate to the ecosystem, or push PHP further. As an example not related to myself, I think of PHPStan or Doctrine, both projects are important PHP projects, with an extreme usage of PHP features as a language, and their authors are in a good position to give feedbacks on PHP RFC, or to write ones. The metrics that are currently listed in the RFC to be an Eligible Voter entirely exclude this population. If this population is excluded, I'm afraid that the PHP future will defer from the real usages/expectations of the language. * I don't understand why keeping existing voters is an issue, it's not motivated, and consequently I can only disagree with the grandfathering section. The rest of the RFC is very interesting. It would be sad to miss it because of the Eligible Voters Section. I suggest to split it into 2 RFC. Regards. On 31.01.19 14:44, Zeev Suraski wrote:

Without further ado, an RFC that’s attempting to comprehensively solve many of the issues that have plagued our RFC process since it was hastily introduced in 2011: https://wiki.php.net/rfc/voting2019 Emphasis on ‘attempting’. I’m sure there are still a lot of holes in it that should be plugged before we vote on it, but instead of waiting indefinitely – I’d like us to start discussing it. Comments and suggestions welcome. Zeev