Re: [RFC] [Discussion] Deprecate PEAR and recommend Composer

Hi, On Tue, Oct 14, 2025 at 1:05 AM Derick Rethans <derick@php.net> wrote: > > On Fri, 10 Oct 2025, Jakub Zelenka wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > On Fri, Oct 10, 2025 at 2:44 PM Brent Roose <brent.roose@jetbrains.com> > > wrote: > > > > > The only thing related to PHP/internals is the fact PEAR is bundled with > > >> PHP and that the PEAR website is a subdomain pear.php.net. > > >> > > > > > > In my opinion, this is sufficient reason to have an RFC for it. A quick > > > search through the RFCs showed a handful of website-related ones: > > > > > > - > > > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/deprecate-pear-include-composer > > > - https://wiki.php.net/rfc/global_login > > > - https://wiki.php.net/rfc/phpnet-analytics > > > > > > Then there's the fact that Pear comes bundled with PHP, even more of an > > > argument that internals have at least something to say about it. Several > > > RFCs have addressed bundling/unbundling third party plugins before. Again, > > > a quick search: > > > > > > - https://wiki.php.net/rfc/unbundle_imap_pspell_oci8 > > > - https://wiki.php.net/rfc/unbundle_xmlprc > > > - > > > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/deprecate-and-remove-ext-wddx > > > - https://wiki.php.net/rfc/unbundle_recode > > > > > > To me, and I believe to a significant part of the PHP community, what's > > > most important is for PHP to acknowledge that composer is its de-facto > > > standard package manager. This doesn't mean composer cannot operate > > > independently anymore, but an endorsement would make a lot of sense. > > > > > > > Removing PEAR/PECL from php-src is absolutely fine and such RFC should > > be done. As I mentioned, we could also discuss removal from the > > php.net domain (move it to the separate domain from pear.php.net). > > That's what we control and can do. I checked the archives to see who had and may still have access, I found one discussion about compromised pear phar in 2019. It looks like Christian Weiske Chuck Burgess May have access. And eventually Rasmus? I added them to the loop here, let see. That may help doing whatever we decide to do. -- Pierre @pierrejoye | http://www.libgd.org