Re: [RFC] Working Groups

2026年6月16日(火) 1:02 Larry Garfield <larry@garfieldtech.com>: > > On Mon, Jun 15, 2026, at 7:39 AM, Alex Rock wrote: > >> Anything that doesn't need special powers can more efficiently be organized > >> without the overhead of the initial RFC, as can also be seen by The PHP Foundation planning to > >> launch 6 “special interest groups” in the remainder of 2026 without needing to involve the PHP > >> project: > >>> > >>> > >>> https://thephp.foundation/blog/2026/06/11/integrating-community- > >>> feedback-into-foundation-strategy-part2/#community-special-interest-groups > >> > >> > >> I'm aware of the PHP Foundation special interest groups, and Elizabeth and I > >> discussed them before I opened the Working Groups RFC for discussion.. We agreed they do not cover > >> the same ground as the Working Groups RFC. By design, the PHP Foundation SIGs have no operational or > >> governance authority over the PHP Project. There can be cross-pollination and collaboration between > >> the initiatives, but the SIGs are external, community-focused, interest groups, while PHP WGs are > >> internal, PHP Project-focused, operational groups. > > > > > > My 2cents in the form of questions (because I might have missed something): > > > > Since the PHPF's role is to support, help and discuss, then shouldn't > > PHPF operatives be excluded from voting on RFCs, whatever the involved > > WG? It would ensure that the PHP voters (aka "*The community that > > includes contributors and core team members*") can take decisions > > without the PHPF being able to intervene if there's a disagreement > > between the two groups, I guess...? > > "PHPF operatives" sounds very negative. Bear in mind, the Foundation currently > employs a majority of the people who really understand the PHP engine and how to maintain it. > Excluding them from voting would be.. project suicide. > > The Foundation has no vote. The people who do half the work for PHP, who happen to work for > the Foundation, have votes. As they should. > > > And similarly, shouldn't there be a mandatory consultation from the PHP > > community when the PHPF actually operates on something that impacts the > > community on non-RFC-mandatory-operations, like marketing, > > communication, etc.? I mean, if at some point the PHPF communicates on > > the web on something the PHP community would disagree with (concluded > > via a vote of whatever sort), shouldn't the PHPF, as a "consultative > > agency", have to update their acts and productions to fit to the > > community's views? (that would solve parts of the issues with the > > recent hot discussions on a certain link to a certain platform on PHP's > > website, for example). > > > > All these questions are here because PHP has no official governance > > other than the (sometimes vaguely) designated "PHP Community", and the > > PHPF's role, from what I understand, is mostly to *help the community > > to decide and act* on PHP-related tasks, but *not directly decide nor > > act*. > > > > I might be off of some details, so feel free to correct me if I miss > > something, if I'm mistaking, or if I misunderstand certain roles or > > notions. > > From the Foundation's home page: > > ``` > The PHP Foundation is a collective of people and organizations relying on the PHP language. Its > mission is to ensure the long-term prosperity of the PHP language. > > The PHP Foundation focuses on providing financial support and guidance to PHP language > developers to support its goals of improving the language for its users, providing high-quality > maintenance, and improving the PHP language project to retain current contributors and to integrate > new contributors. > > The PHP Foundation aims to promote the public image of the PHP language in the interest of > retaining existing and gaining new users and contributors.. > > Read our announcement for more details. > ``` > > That's what the Foundation does and is for. > > It really seems like you're inventing problems that do not exist, and have no bearing on > the project itself creating working groups. That those WGs may overlap with the Foundation, both in > goal and personnel, is a good thing in my mind. > > --Larry Garfield Hi Ben and Internals I agree this proposal. I'm glad that if this proposal is accepted. Please let me story that join in the php-src repo and this mailing list. So I spend many time (3-4 years?) because I don't know how to join this community. Therefore, Working groups can easy to access to this community from the world. I hope that people from all over the world who are interested will come. Regards Yuya -- --------------------------- Yuya Hamada (tekimen) - https://tekitoh-memdhoi.info - https://github.com/youkidearitai -----------------------------