Re: True labelled breaks

As I said, the syntax is quite elegant and the patch isn't too bad either. However, I do suggest we only add it if people are really convinced that it'll be used. Reflection falls into a different category in my opinion, because it actually allows you to do stuff you couldn't really do before... It's a bad comparison. Andi At 03:53 PM 2/18/2006, Derick Rethans wrote:

Perhaps not many will use it, that doesn't mean it's useful. I don't have much use of the Reflection stuff either, nor do I see its general usefulness. That doesn't mean I am against having it in PHP because it is useful. In the previous thread we already saw where the labelled break was useful, and I would like to see the proposed patch committed. Derick On Sat, 18 Feb 2006, Andi Gutmans wrote: Yeah but my point was that even people for who it isn't scary (the devs) don't use it very much :) It's just something which isn't needed very often. So we're wasting lots of bandwidth on something which not many will use anyway :) Andi At 02:54 PM 2/18/2006, Steph Fox wrote:

Agreed it's not used very much. That's because people like me think it's scary :) and that's _exactly_ what I was trying to say. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andi Gutmans" <andi@zend.com> To: "Steph Fox" <steph@zend.com>; "internals" <internals@lists.php.net> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 12:48 AM Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] True labelled breaks

It's just something which to begin with isn't used that much. Grep'ed phpweb/ for it and found 0 occurrences of break n; and I believe the people developing it would be the ones who would know how to use it. Andi At 02:33 PM 2/18/2006, Steph Fox wrote:

I personally find working with numbers difficult, which is

why I'm wholly

in support of this patch. I doubt I'm the only PHP user with that issue, due to the

'ease of use'

that allows people with no history of computer science to write useful scripts (for which, thank you all). But I wouldn't expect a

great deal of

sympathy on that point from CS graduates. nb I think implementing goto/equivalent itself is a fairly

bad idea - I

appear to be in the minority on that issue. But I don't see

any problem

with introducing labels, I just see it as a more user-friendly way of allowing nested breaks. Am I very wrong? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andi Gutmans" <andi@zend.com> To: "Steph Fox" <steph@zend.com>; "internals"

<internals@lists.php.net>

Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 9:30 PM Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] True labelled breaks

I think that in 1997 when break/continue n where

implemented it would

have been a nice idea, but at this stage except for being

more elegant

than break/continue n it doesn't truly add anything

substantial to PHP

(and as you already mentioned it's orthogonal to the goto

discussion).

I think having more than 1 way of doing the same thing, in

this case,

might just end up confusing people developing with PHP

(i.e. the Perl

way :) Just for the record I am coming at this from an open mind.

Dmitry did

spend time on this patch, etc... I'd recommend to bed it once and for all. At 09:16 AM 2/18/2006, Steph Fox wrote:

Guys and guyess, Sara and Dmitry's patch to introduce labelled breaks was

discussed on

internals@ ever-so-briefly at the beginning of December, but there was never any decision made over it. Given that practically everyone who survived the preceding GOTO discussion seemed to think it was a good idea at the

time, could you

please re-visit it, evaluate it, discuss it (as opposed to talking about GOTO, which is unrelated) and either OK it or put

it to bed for

once and for all? Relevant summary is at http://www.zend.com/zend/week/week265.php#Heading3 Relevant patch is at http://www.zend.com/zend/week/pat/index.php And if it's worth anything, +1 from me. - Steph -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

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