Re: Re: cvs: CVSROOT / avail loginfo

Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: > > On 28.11.2007, at 00:28, Pierre wrote: > >> One word: transparency. >> >> It is amazing how it helps to discuss things instead of acting like that. > > I find it amazing how oblivious to community concerns this all is. > Anyways, from some other discussions I gathered that the main thing that > is currently being talked about is CLA's. Once they have a CLA in place > they will "open" the discussions. From what I hear at least part of the > previous "secret" discussions will then be opened as well via some kind > of archive. I agree. As most of you know, I met with IBM a couple of years ago the last time they were keen on getting a CLA in place so they could contribute more. I voiced my skepticism, but kept an open mind and put the ball in their court asking them to write up a detailed explanation of how a CLA will help the average PHP contributor. They said they would do that and disappeared never to be heard from again. My stance on this hasn't changed. I don't care the slightest how a CLA helps them, I want to hear what it does for us. The obvious benefit for the project is to get more contributions, but the cost of those contributions in terms of a CLA burden has to be weighed. And so far nobody has adequately justified why the average PHP contributor should sign a CLA. The existing CLA stuff on IBM-specific stuff like DB2, SDO and IDS was something I didn't care much about since it was pretty much entirely an IBM effort and I doubted there would be a general interest in those things, which has pretty much turned out to be the case. But I am very much against expanding this to cover more of PHP and encroaching on general-purpose things that a large number of non-patent encumbered PHP contributors would have an interest in. So yes, before this goes any further, we need full disclosure here and a really well thought out explanation by someone convincing us of the benefits of signing a CLA. Barring that, I am with Marcus and Lukas on this. Keep it out of PHP CVS and host it somewhere else. -Rasmus