Re: Re: cvs: CVSROOT / avail loginfo

Sure, Marcus, I understand that. I was just explaining to Lukas what this commonly used CLA variant mandates. David P.S: in strict legal terms, even in PHP, you just implicitly grant a perpetual, royalty-free etc license to the PHP project by committing a changeset as in many European countries, such as Germany, copyright is not transferrable. Am 20.12.2007 um 17:07 schrieb Marcus Boerger:

Hello David, Lukas, this is all bullshit! In PHP we simply grant the stuff to the PHP project by putting it under the copyright of 'The PHP Group'. That is all that should ever be necessary. And to Lukas, you either violated a signed agreement here by telling us stuff you learned while being part of that group - or you are speculating. You should however not do that! Maybe not even IBM is interested in that stuff? So far all I see is some IBM people comitting stuff to PHP. All happily done accepting our normal rules. marcus Thursday, December 20, 2007, 4:31:34 PM, you wrote:

No. This Apache CLA most of today's CLAs used by open source projects (Zend Framework, Cake etc) are derived from require you to grant an unlimited, unrevocable, royalte-free, blah-blah license to use your contribution, and, if _you_ hold patents on this invention, that you grant the same for those patents you own. Those CLAs do not require that you guarantee that your contribution is not violating any 3rd- party patents.

David

Am 20.12.2007 um 16:08 schrieb Lukas Kahwe Smith:

On 30.11.2007, at 00:09, Steph Fox wrote:

Stas - we don't even know what they're planning to put into CVS. Just

And waiting couple of days for the explanation is of course not an option.

But opening up a module in the php.net CVS repository that php.net contributors are excluded from without discussion is?

Right .. and there is still nothing published. The "complainers" are definitely the ones to point to as the "first to shoot." Anyways the definition of a "soon" let alone "few weeks" is getting stretched by now. That being said, from all I have heard the CLA thing is not something that only IBM is pushing in this context. There are multiple companies that are involved behind the scenes, including MySQL AB. And yes MySQL AB also has a CLA, so does ez Systems. The key question is about the patent clause, not about the copyright. Here the question is what exactly I as a contributor promise. Do I promise that I own and grant licenses to all the relevant patents or just that if I happen to own any patents that cover the contributed code, that I also grant a license. The former would be unacceptable by my standards (and by pretty much everyone I have talked to on the matter), while the former seems to be ok (while still being a hinderance for some people who are employed by larger companies) to stop/hinder patent trolls. regards, Lukas --PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

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