Re: rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON

On 10/30/2010 11:58 AM, Daniel P. Brown wrote:

On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 12:47, Chad Emrys<admin@codeangel.org> wrote:

It's not that I'm that sure of myself, it's that I believe that my opinion has merit, and I keep seeing the exact same argument over and over again that I believe is not a very good argument (They can just google it thing). Some other people have provided other arguments as well and those are more valued. (Though I don't think they are strong enough reasons yet NOT to do it).

It does have merit --- to you, and perhaps a few others. Hopefully without sounding like I'm ridiculing you (it's not my intent), have you seriously considered this at all, and are you realizing that it's just not going to happen at this time? I mean, if you submitted a request or implementation proposal for an INI-based option to switch between token strings and expanded help messages, that would likely receive more serious attention than the dismissive responses and formed opinions of your own insight as based upon this discussion.

Forking won't fix this particular problem.

Well, if your statement about how no one here who disagrees with you does "enough support" (which is, quite frankly, an asinine assessment), then an equal rebuttal will be that you do not know enough about the inner workings of the software you claim to support, nor the culture of the group who maintains it.

     You're taking a minor annoyance and trying to convince the masses

- and indeed the "powers that be" - that it is tantamount to Y2K38. Again, I'm really not trying to insult you or your original opinion here, Chad, but the continued arguments are almost coming off as silly now. If you haven't noticed, I am a bit stubborn, yes it's a problem. When I submitted this proposal, I have to at least try to plant a bug in their brain that perhaps, they are being to hasty on dismissing this argument. True, I do not know a lot about this particular culture that maintains PHP. I just know the bigger culture of those who use PHP, and some of them are quite annoyed by the dismissive nature of the maintainers who are quite at odds to what the majority of the community want or needs. And I am sort of glad to annoy those who are overly dismissive, and hopefully ploy the one's who are on the fence.

No one said I was good at politics. But the fact one has to play the politics game here to get anything worth while doesn't really phase me. Now I am starting to find this argument straying from the point. I don't believe attacking me personally or me attacking the nature of this mailing list really has to do with the subject line.