Re: [alexander.schrijver@gmail.com: Re: [PHP-DEV] RE: [SPAM] Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON]

On Nov 01 13:30:58, Alexander Schrijver wrote: > Oops, should've sent this to the list too. > > ----- Forwarded message from Alexander Schrijver <alexander.schrijver@gmail.com> ----- > > Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 13:28:59 +0100 > From: Alexander Schrijver <alexander.schrijver@gmail.com> > To: James Butler <james.butler@edigitalresearch.com> > Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] RE: [SPAM] Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to > T_DOUBLE_COLON > User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) > > On Mon, Nov 01, 2010 at 12:23:07PM +0000, James Butler wrote: > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Alexander Schrijver [mailto:alexander.schrijver@gmail.com] > > Sent: 01 November 2010 12:19 > > To: Stefan Marr > > Cc: Dennis Haarbrink; Stan Vass; internals@lists.php.net > > Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] RE: [SPAM] Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to > > T_DOUBLE_COLON > > > > On Mon, Nov 01, 2010 at 12:59:54PM +0100, Stefan Marr wrote: > > > > > > On 01 Nov 2010, at 12:06, Alexander Schrijver wrote: > > > > Its a minor change and an annoyance to a lot of people. Yes, by not changing > > > > this you'r annoying thousands of people. > > > Instead of going for this cosmetic nonsense you should help those people on the lemon > > > branch. > > > I am insulted every time I have to read a parser token name in an error message, > > > instead of a sensible error message. > > > The cost of understanding T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM as part of the current mumbo-jumbo > > > is completely insignificant compared to the cost of actually understanding the error message just > > > indicating what the parser would have expected. > > > > > > Changing to lemon is the only way to actually achieve something in the long run... > > > > Right, and be forced to introduce some bullshit hebrew when its done. No, thank you. > > > > Err, the entire point is that it won't matter what the underlying token is. The error > > as seen can be anything you want it to be, or at least you can have a fight about what the new > > message looks like and i'm sure there won't really be a compelling reason for it to be in > > hebrew (unless localized). > > Please grow up... > > > It's the policy: > > There are two reasons this term will stay. It is a tip of the hat to > > the amount of PHP work that came out of Israel, and it is a good > > > > reminder that there are a lot of other languages in the world. People > > whose first language is not English, myself included, are forced to work > > with unfamiliar terms every day. I wouldn't mind having a few more > > > > non-English identifiers in PHP actually. > > > > > > > > Well, and a third reason, I like it. > > There is some reason this policy will change after i write this new tokenizer? Yes, there is a reason: As it was explained before, lemon would not display token names but actual token "values". So instead of "Unexpected T_PAABLAH" it would say "Unexpected '::' ..." Best, > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > > -- > PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > -- Etienne Kneuss http://www.colder.ch