Re: [VOTE] Automatic Property Initialization

Sara On 1 February 2014 19:53, Sara Golemon <pollita@php.net> wrote: > On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Gordon Oheim <gooh@php.net> wrote: >> On 01.02.2014 20:25, Sara Golemon wrote: >>> FYI, I'm voting "No" as I don't think >>> https://wiki.php.net/rfc/constructor-promotion was >>> considered >>> adequately. They both seek to accomplish the same goal, but one >>> introduces conflicting syntax while the other does not. >>> >>> If we're to go with the conflicting syntax, I'd like to see a >>> reasonable argument why. >>> >> How is it conflicting? >> > Because it's different from already existing syntax (Code exists in > the wild using HHVM's version of the syntax - > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/constructor-promotion ). I'm not > sure which > part you're confused about. It seems to me that there is no direct conflict here, the two are not fundamentally incompatible and could quite comfortably co-exist in HHVM (which is I guess the issue here - you want to ensure that HHVM can run pure PHP - since there is already a lot of syntax in HHVM that cannot make the transition the other way). By contrast, the HHVM syntax *does* conflict with the recent extended keyword support RFC [1], and as a passive observer to the discussion I gauged a fairly positive reaction to this conceptually, the reason it was rejected was largely because the implementation was not up to standard - maybe I misread this but still, I don't recall this conflict being brought up at the time. The HHVM syntax would also make any future implementation of something like the recent property accessors RFC [2] difficult to mix in. I love some of things you guys have done with HHVM, but I don't like the idea of the HHVM implementation of something blocking an alternate route to the same goal suggested for PHP (especially when there is no direct conflict) - otherwise we may as well just throw PHP development out of the window and let the HHVM team decide where we go. I realise I've made barely anything in the way of material contributions to PHP, but even looking at it strictly from the point of view of a user, I know I'm not alone in wanting PHP to do what PHP does, and not necessarily what HHVM does (but if they coincide, so much the better). [1] https://wiki.php.net/rfc/keywords_as_identifiers [2] https://wiki.php.net/rfc/propertygetsetsyntax-v1.2 Thanks, Chris