Re: INDRECT in arrays causes count() to become unpredictable

On Nov 23, 2015, at 15:21, Anthony Ferrara <ircmaxell@gmail.com> wrote: > > Rasmus, > >> I think this was mostly a PR failure on my part actually. If I/we are a bit more careful >> about how we handle similar issues and the people lurking with itchy Twitter trigger fingers would >> spend a bit more time looking into the details we should all be able to get along and get a good >> launch with no controversy on Dec.3. > > Sorry, but when you make a statement like: > >> Nobody is going to take a .0.0 and push it straight to production. > > THAT is more than a PR failure. That's a perspective failure. I still don't see anyone going straight to production with 7.0.0 unless they have been extensively testing the RCs. And if they have been extensively testing the RCs then any issues in them must not be impacting them. 7.0.0 is the wake up call for all the people who haven't been testing the RCs and as such it will generate more issues, regardless of how long we wait. That's why I still wouldn't suggest anyone go straight to production with 7.0.0 even if we delay another full year. This has nothing to do with being cavalier nor having a perspective failure about anything, it has to do with being realistic and pragmatic about how things work based on years of experience doing this. Every single release in the history of PHP has been a compromise. We have RCs until the set of fixes from one RC to the next is free of major issues. There will always be more issues, so we have to make a release decision at some point. -Rasmus

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