Re: INDRECT in arrays causes count() to become unpredictable

> Am 23.11.2015 um 15:52 schrieb Rasmus Lerdorf <rasmus@lerdorf.com>: > >> On Nov 23, 2015, at 15:21, Anthony Ferrara <ircmaxell@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Rasmus, >> >>> I think this was mostly a PR failure on my part actually. If I/we are a bit more >>> careful about how we handle similar issues and the people lurking with itchy Twitter trigger fingers >>> would spend a bit more time looking into the details we should all be able to get along and get a >>> good launch with no controversy on Dec.3. >> >> Sorry, but when you make a statement like: >> >>> Nobody is going to take a .0.0 and push it straight to production. >> >> THAT is more than a PR failure. That's a perspective failure. > > I still don't see anyone going straight to production with 7.0.0 unless they have been > extensively testing the RCs. And if they have been extensively testing the RCs then any issues in > them must not be impacting them. 7.0.0 is the wake up call for all the people who haven't been > testing the RCs and as such it will generate more issues, regardless of how long we wait. > That's why I still wouldn't suggest anyone go straight to production with 7.0.0 even if we > delay another full year. This has nothing to do with being cavalier nor having a perspective failure > about anything, it has to do with being realistic and pragmatic about how things work based on years > of experience doing this. > > Every single release in the history of PHP has been a compromise. We have RCs until the set of > fixes from one RC to the next is free of major issues. There will always be more issues, so we have > to make a release decision at some point. > > -Rasmus I think every party has valid points and I think Rasmus is right. We'll always have some bugs where others think it's worthy a RC. I don't disagree with putting the bugfix into the 7.0.0 release (without further RC). But after all it's affecting a rather edge case; just the symtables. I have yet to see code which would break without the fix. It wouldn't be too bad to have it in 7.0.1 now. It's not a PR failure. The only thing which harmed PR maybe is having put this up to public discussion, and then still... But still, that's Anatol and Kalle who have to decide whether a further RC is necessary. Please let's wait for their opinion now. Thanks, Bob