Re: Re: Debian and the PHP license

On 30/07/2014 06:09, Pierre Joye wrote:

hi Walter, On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 9:16 PM, Walter Landry <wlandry@caltech.edu> wrote:

Ferenc Kovacs <tyra3l@gmail.com> wrote:

I've find it a bit disturbing, that ftpmasters can make a decision on legal grounds(which is the probably the highest priority for debian as far as I'm concerned), without any backing from debian-legal

debian-legal has no authority to decide anything. It is just a mailing list. We can discuss things here day and night and ftp-masters can ignore it. With that said, debian-legal can be useful when issues are clear-cut. For example, if someone asks if the Apache 2.0 license is compatible with the GPL (no for GPL 2.0, yes for GPL 3.0). Think of debian-legal as the secretary for ftp-masters. We can sometimes divine what they are thinking, but the final word belongs to ftp-masters. In any case, in the interest of making this email constructive, my take on the PHP license is that it does need to be fixed. From ftp-masters REJECT-FAQ, they also think so. So my advice would be to just use a well known, existing license and be done with it. Judging from the existing PHP license, the closest thing would be the 3 clause BSD license http://opensource.org/licenses/BSD-3-Clause Apache 2.0 would also be a good choice. Now, I understand that changing licenses is a huge chore, and the benefits can sometimes be intangible. The main benefit is that you will never have to deal with us again ;)

As Rasmus, and I, said numerous times, the PHP License is a perfectly valid choice as long as the software are distributed under *.php.net. I see this move as yet another attempt to force developers to abandon a totally valid license in the name of the Debian ideal, Free Softwares. I cannot blame anyone willing to reach this goal but as a matter of fact, there is no issue with the PHP license, not anymore since 3.01. And about dealing with Debian about that, well, Debian has actually more to lose than any other 3rd parties. Let focus on getting the web stack rocks on Debian instead. Cheers, Hi all,

Is it possible we can then work towards a resolution on this near decade old problem? Now we've established that the PHP License v3.01 resolves the problem outlined in the 2005 email, surely the PHP License can be removed from the "Serious violations" list on the Debian FTP. https://ftp-master.debian.org/REJECT-FAQ.html Thanks.