Re: Major updates to beta php.net based on UserVoice feedback.

I will begin implementing pieces of twitter bootstrap for responsive design. I still strongly disagree with having a dropdown menu -- we need input from other developers on this, please! On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 6:40 AM, Paul Dragoonis <dragoonis@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Levi, > > Thanks for the email, I didn't bother consolidating all my work into an > email like this. > > I like the simpler header. I like the new breadcrumb format it solved the > issue for prev/next buttons. > > We still need to give users a dropdown menu. I'd like to use twitter > bootstrap header menu so we get easy dropdowns. > > The main reason for this is we can use bootstrap-responsive.css and our > header will become mobile/tablet responsive without needing to code > anything, they can do all the heavy lifting for us. I'm not sure if you're > experience with bootstrap but I am so it' a natural choice. > > Thoughts? > > > > > On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 12:25 AM, Levi Morrison <levim@php.net> wrote: > >> Dear list, >> >> I have been reviewing a lot of the feedback we have from UserVoice. This >> as been valuable in identifying some serious problems we have with our beta >> website. Thanks to Peter Cowburn, Paul Dragoonis and anyone else involved >> for getting UserVoice up and running. >> >> I have some major updates pending to beta PHP.net that address many of >> the feedback items. I have not yet pushed because it creates some new >> problems and I don't want feedback from users on it just yet since I know >> what some of the big issues are. >> >> Some highlights and lowlights: >> >> - *I stuck the header to the top of the screen at all times. *This >> required a few changes such as shrinking its overal vertical size. I also >> went ahead and gave it the dark-grey color of the dropdown menu and the >> footer. >> - The dropdown menu now interacts strangely if you've scrolled. >> This can be fixable, but there has been a lot of feedback on the dropdown >> menu that is hard to fix. *I vote we remove the dropdown menu**.*We don't have >> one currently and so it isn't a usability regression if we >> remove it. If we can work a better implementation then we can add it back >> in. This would possibly mean we need to add an item or two to the main >> navigation but I'm fine with that. >> - *I moved the "parent" navigation items out of the layout-menu (on >> the left) and into a breadcrumbs bar. *This came from a suggestion >> from the uservoice feedback and I think it works really well. This also >> strengthens the layout-menu because it's more clear what the menu is for: >> related functions. >> - *I reduced the margins on many items. *This one was painful to me >> but I really had to choose between shrinking the margins and shrinking the >> base font-size which I will not do. Thus I gave in and removed some of the >> whitespace. This means some items that were originally separated by >> whitespace might need something else to help separate them (such as a >> border). >> - *The layout-menu is now grey instead of purple.* Combined with the >> dark header across the page this really gives the page more variety in >> color and contrast. A very common piece of feedback was the lack of color, >> excess whitespace and lacking contrast. >> - *The homepage looks worse than ever.* Not quite sure what to do >> about it; I'll think about it over the next day or so. >> >> If you have ideas on how to fix any of these problems please let me know. >> There are also a few minor problems such as the PHP logo now being barely >> visible that I need to touch up before I push these changes; I don't want a >> bunch of UserVoice feedback saying the PHP logo is hard to see. >> >> The changes can be viewed at http://leviathon.homenet.org/ >> when my >> server is up -- it's hit and miss right now because of active development. >> You can find a small gallery of screenshots that illustrate these changes >> at http://imgur.com/a/4ZoWo#0 >> >> If you absolutely hate these changes, please let me know that as well; >> I'm open to feedback both good and ill. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Levi Morrison >> > >