Re: Major updates to beta php.net based on UserVoice feedback.

The content in the community nav item drop menu is very good. it gives a nice overview of everything that's going on. We need to think how we can retain this, while improving the top menu. On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 9:10 PM, Levi Morrison <morrison.levi@gmail.com>wrote: > I will begin implementing pieces of twitter bootstrap for responsive > design. > > I still strongly disagree with having a dropdown menu -- we need input > from other developers on this, please! > > On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 6:40 AM, Paul Dragoonis <dragoonis@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Hi Levi, >> >> Thanks for the email, I didn't bother consolidating all my work into an >> email like this. >> >> I like the simpler header. I like the new breadcrumb format it solved the >> issue for prev/next buttons. >> >> We still need to give users a dropdown menu. I'd like to use twitter >> bootstrap header menu so we get easy dropdowns. >> >> The main reason for this is we can use bootstrap-responsive.css and our >> header will become mobile/tablet responsive without needing to code >> anything, they can do all the heavy lifting for us. I'm not sure if you're >> experience with bootstrap but I am so it' a natural choice. >> >> Thoughts? >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 12:25 AM, Levi Morrison <levim@php.net> wrote: >> >>> Dear list, >>> >>> I have been reviewing a lot of the feedback we have from UserVoice. This >>> as been valuable in identifying some serious problems we have with our beta >>> website. Thanks to Peter Cowburn, Paul Dragoonis and anyone else involved >>> for getting UserVoice up and running. >>> >>> I have some major updates pending to beta PHP.net that address many of >>> the feedback items. I have not yet pushed because it creates some new >>> problems and I don't want feedback from users on it just yet since I know >>> what some of the big issues are. >>> >>> Some highlights and lowlights: >>> >>> - *I stuck the header to the top of the screen at all times. *This >>> required a few changes such as shrinking its overal vertical size. I also >>> went ahead and gave it the dark-grey color of the dropdown menu and the >>> footer. >>> - The dropdown menu now interacts strangely if you've scrolled. >>> This can be fixable, but there has been a lot of feedback on the dropdown >>> menu that is hard to fix. *I vote we remove the dropdown menu**.*We don't >>> have one currently and so it isn't a usability regression if we >>> remove it. If we can work a better implementation then we can add it back >>> in. This would possibly mean we need to add an item or two to the main >>> navigation but I'm fine with that. >>> - *I moved the "parent" navigation items out of the layout-menu (on >>> the left) and into a breadcrumbs bar. *This came from a suggestion >>> from the uservoice feedback and I think it works really well. This also >>> strengthens the layout-menu because it's more clear what the menu is for: >>> related functions. >>> - *I reduced the margins on many items. *This one was painful to me >>> but I really had to choose between shrinking the margins and shrinking the >>> base font-size which I will not do. Thus I gave in and removed some of the >>> whitespace. This means some items that were originally separated by >>> whitespace might need something else to help separate them (such as a >>> border). >>> - *The layout-menu is now grey instead of purple.* Combined with the >>> dark header across the page this really gives the page more variety in >>> color and contrast. A very common piece of feedback was the lack of color, >>> excess whitespace and lacking contrast. >>> - *The homepage looks worse than ever.* Not quite sure what to do >>> about it; I'll think about it over the next day or so. >>> >>> If you have ideas on how to fix any of these problems please let me >>> know. There are also a few minor problems such as the PHP logo now being >>> barely visible that I need to touch up before I push these changes; I don't >>> want a bunch of UserVoice feedback saying the PHP logo is hard to see. >>> >>> The changes can be viewed at >>> http://leviathon.homenet.org/ when my >>> server is up -- it's hit and miss right now because of active development. >>> You can find a small gallery of screenshots that illustrate these changes >>> at http://imgur.com/a/4ZoWo#0 >>> >>> If you absolutely hate these changes, please let me know that as well; >>> I'm open to feedback both good and ill. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Levi Morrison >>> >> >> >