Re: [PHP3] Re: [PHP-DEV] More SOAP or Dampen Thy Evangelical Fires oh Disciples

Ryan Gaul wrote: > No, be cause you validate their clames that the standard is good, and > then they extend it to be incompatable and since they are the standard > platform, you have to go along, or be left behind. > > Either way we loose it. Better to not push it in the begining and hope > it doesnt become as big a standard. > > Not posible to beat MS at their own game. their just too good at it. I disagree. MS will never embrace CORBA, so that makes CORBA face a significant uphill battle. DCOM is not open. There is a need for an open alternative. MS got an early start with SOAP, but IBM participated in the 1.1 spec and got an open source implementation out to xml.apache.org. In fact, we got our open source implementation out before MS did! ;-) Because we did this in Java, we have Sun bought in. I do believe that it is possible for Apache and open source to beat MS at their own game. - Sam Ruby P.S. When all is said and done, Beating MS, or IBM or Sun for that matter doesn't make your product a winner. Solving somebody's problem, being open, and playing well with others does. Soap is just a protocol - and if it can be used to communicate with servers built using COM++ as well as other servers built using EJBs then so much the better.