Re: License Choice: RE: [PHP-DEV] readline extension status?

Whether it is silly or not is not the issue. The fact remains that we cannot use the GPL given the Zend License. That's all I said. -Rasmus On Thu, 28 Dec 2000, Zeev Suraski wrote: > At 20:17 28/12/2000, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: > > > Why not delegate the whole problem to the users; > > > permit PHP4 to be accepted under the choice of PHP License or GPL. > > > > > > Those who accept it under GPL will have all the GPL constraints but be > > > allowed to use GPL modules and re-distribute tho' constraining those who > > > take it. > > > > > > Those who take PHP License cannot use GPL (only LGPL) but won't have such > > > constraints on use. > > > > > > I really don't see it as a complex issue for PHP developers as they are the > > > *flexible* ones. > > > >Unfortunately that isn't quite the case. You wouldn't be able to use the > >Zend engine in a GPL'ed PHP without a drastic change to the Zend License. > > Rasmus, > > Again, this has *nothing* to do with the Zend engine license even though > you always like to point the blame there. > > Releasing something under both a BSD and a GPL license makes *NO* > sense. The GPL is restrictive. The BSD has no restrictions whatsoever and > thus renders the GPL useless. They're not compatible in the least bit, > definitely not to a degree where a single piece of software can be dual > licensed under both of them. If you think that restoring the dual license > is going to make Stallman happy, you're absolutely wrong, unless Stallman's > dumb. Stallman is many things, but I don't think being dumb is one of them. > > The situation when PHP 3.0 was dual licensed under the GPL and BSD was > silly, plain and simple, and was mainly because we were clueless and didn't > stop thinking what it meant. One license (the GPL) put tons of > restrictions on what you may / may not do with the code, and the other one > removed them altogether. Try to convince a first year law student that > this even remotely makes sense. Try to convince Stallman that now > everything is ok. Doing this is kinda like dual licensing PHP under the > BSD license and the Microsoft EULA. You choose! Do you want to have a > list of gazillion things you have to follow, or not? > > Please, stop putting the blame on the Zend license because it's simply not > there. At least until all of the rest of PHP is GPL'd, something which > I'll do my best to prevent. > > Zeev > > > -- > Zeev Suraski <zeev@zend.com> > CTO & co-founder, Zend Technologies Ltd. > http://www.zend.com/ >