Re: License Choice: RE: [PHP-DEV] readline extension status?

The fact remains that we cannot use the GPL given the PHP license. That's part of what I said. Zeev At 20:41 28/12/2000, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:

Whether it is silly or not is not the issue. The fact remains that we cannot use the GPL given the Zend License. That's all I said. -Rasmus On Thu, 28 Dec 2000, Zeev Suraski wrote: At 20:17 28/12/2000, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:

Why not delegate the whole problem to the users; permit PHP4 to be accepted under the choice of PHP License or GPL. Those who accept it under GPL will have all the GPL constraints but be allowed to use GPL modules and re-distribute tho' constraining

those who

take it. Those who take PHP License cannot use GPL (only LGPL) but won't

have such

constraints on use. I really don't see it as a complex issue for PHP developers as they

are the

*flexible* ones.

Unfortunately that isn't quite the case. You wouldn't be able to use the Zend engine in a GPL'ed PHP without a drastic change to the Zend License.

Rasmus, Again, this has *nothing* to do with the Zend engine license even though you always like to point the blame there. Releasing something under both a BSD and a GPL license makes *NO* sense. The GPL is restrictive. The BSD has no restrictions whatsoever and thus renders the GPL useless. They're not compatible in the least bit, definitely not to a degree where a single piece of software can be dual licensed under both of them. If you think that restoring the dual license is going to make Stallman happy, you're absolutely wrong, unless Stallman's dumb. Stallman is many things, but I don't think being dumb is one of them. The situation when PHP 3.0 was dual licensed under the GPL and BSD was silly, plain and simple, and was mainly because we were clueless and didn't stop thinking what it meant. One license (the GPL) put tons of restrictions on what you may / may not do with the code, and the other one removed them altogether. Try to convince a first year law student that this even remotely makes sense. Try to convince Stallman that now everything is ok. Doing this is kinda like dual licensing PHP under the BSD license and the Microsoft EULA. You choose! Do you want to have a list of gazillion things you have to follow, or not? Please, stop putting the blame on the Zend license because it's simply not there. At least until all of the rest of PHP is GPL'd, something which I'll do my best to prevent. Zeev -- Zeev Suraski <zeev@zend.com> CTO & co-founder, Zend Technologies Ltd. http://www.zend.com/

-- Zeev Suraski <zeev@zend.com> CTO & co-founder, Zend Technologies Ltd. http://www.zend.com/