Re: Fw: PHP XMF

At 07:36 PM 7/21/2001 -0700, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:

I wan to thank you for making your quick decision. Well, there is no point wasting your time. If we were going to push a single content management framework as the standard PHP framework which in itself it quite unlikely, then we would pick one of the established ones written by people with a history in the PHP community and an understanding of that community. Content-management is outside the scope of the PHP project. It may fit within the scope of the PEAR project at some point. And you cannot alienate most non-Windows users by flatly stating that you won't support Netcape. How can you position something as a generic framework if 10-15% of all web users are not eligible to use it?

Rasmus, Why would the fact that Michael isn't interested in supporting Netscape by himself stop this from becoming a PHP community project? I think the whole idea of making this a php.net/PEAR project would be that others from the community would help improve it and it would become what people want it to become. I actually think he has a point that we should strive to create one good framework for PHP. This is very much like PEAR trying to give people good framework/class solutions. Why are you being so completely against without letting the rest of php-dev & pear-dev discuss it? "Ok, then you have made our decision quite easy.". Who is "our"? Anyway, I'm not saying that this PHP XMF needs to necessarily become the basis but I think it'd be a good idea to pitch this to the PEAR guys and see what they think about it (cc'ed them). I'm sure that if the pear guys would take such a project under their hood it would work with Netscape within a few weeks. Working or not working with Netscape is not a reason for not taking something as a starting baseline IMO. Andi