Re: Fw: PHP XMF

Hi Zeev Thank you for your kind words. I am still going to release the code (hopefully this Tuesday, 24th of July). I don't expect anything from anyone. I have worked on the 4Arrow portal for over two years now. I never charged anyone to use it or limit their access to the multitude of tools, applications and information I present there. I have never even used any ad banners, promoted commercial products, and I have never made one cent directly from the 4Arrow portal of websites that I regularly and solely maintain by myself. I have always believed in empowering others with knowledge you have without being selfish. That has been my purpose on developing the 4Arrow websites all this time and my passion for Web development. The only needs I have from the PHP group is... After all this I am not sure anymore. I guess I don't need anything I just wanted to share and exchange some ideas about content management frameworks and best practices in regards to PHP development. The original cmf.php.net was just an idea to start a centralized place to spear head this form of collaborations and discussions. I am still going to aim XPC development towards a CMF like tool that is employed over at Zope.org (http://cmf.zope.org) With Zope like qualities in building and maintaining web sites. Regards, Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zeev Suraski" <zeev@zend.com> To: "Michael Glazer" <mglazer@4arrow.com> Cc: <php-dev@lists.php.net> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Fw: PHP XMF Michael, Don't let this kind of stuff let you down. You got a very cold shower as your intro to the opensource community, but this isn't the way it's always like. You were exposed to some of the drawbacks in this model, so you wouldn't have any idealistic expectations, but a bit more rational ones... But as I said in the beginning, if you learn to grow a slightly thicker skin and just go on and contribute, there are good chances things would work off. My suggestion to you is to just go on with your project, and possibly try to interest other people to join in. If you have more concrete needs from us (as in the PHP group), let us know. Zeev At 14:47 22/07/2001, Michael Glazer wrote: >Your right. > >Its no big deal. My tactics have failed. I'm beyond that I don't expect >anything else. > >What concerns me at this point is the attitude of you folks its pretty >endearing and warm hearted to say the least. > >I feel now, more than ever, a greater sense towards the open source >community. > >The sense of inclusion and participation seeps out of these emails that it >makes me want to stay up all night and code great new ideas all night and >give it to this great community.... > >Note: American sarcasm and irony > >-Michael >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Björn Schotte" <bjoern@baer.main.de> >To: "Michael Glazer" <mglazer@4arrow.com> >Cc: "Rasmus Lerdorf" <rasmus@php.net>; <php-dev@lists.php.net> >Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 5:38 AM >Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Fw: PHP XMF > > > > * Michael Glazer wrote: > > > I feel I want to yell and scream out, "who does he think he is?" > > > > Michael, _you_ want to "sell" something to the php.net folks. > > Why should anybody of them fall to their knees and praise you > > for your idea/suggestion? If I look up this e-mail conversation, > > I only see somebody (you) who sells himself very poorly and who > > says "But mummy, I want to have my project on a sub-domain at > > php.net!!!". You aren't in the position to clamour for something. > > You are in the position to sell your product/project in such a > > manner that php.net folks say "Oh, good, nice project, let's > > give him a sub domain". If they won't (which I can understand), > > you failed your tactics. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > [...] > > > > Please consider http://learn.to/quote/, thanks. > > > > -- > > PHP Schulungen und | International PHP Conference > > Schulungsmaterial: | 05. - 07.11.2001 > > http://thinkphp.de/ | Astron > > Hotel, Frankfurt > > http://rent-a-phpwizard.de/schulungen.php | > > http://www.php-kongress.de/ > > >-- >PHP Development Mailing List <http://www.php.net/> >To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-dev-unsubscribe@lists.php.net >For additional commands, e-mail: php-dev-help@lists.php.net >To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-admin@lists.php.net -- Zeev Suraski <zeev@zend.com> CTO & co-founder, Zend Technologies Ltd. http://www.zend.com/