Re: Re: [Zend Engine 2] RE: [PHP-DEV] oo != php

> There are two reasons we repeat the 'PHP is not Java mantra': > > (a) Many of those requesting these changes actually DO want to see PHP > as a Java with PHPish syntax. Anyone wanting PHP to be a "simple" or "more flexable" Java is barking up the wrong tree... in fact all of the people I know who Im lobbying "better OO functionality in PHP" for know Java and know PHP - and use both where each is best. What we are requesting is that PHP expands its OO capabilities - not change the way it does things, not do anything outlandish or "stolen" from another language. Think about it - all it would be is like adding an extra gear to a car. Wouldnt change the concept, the design or the idea of the car... not the make nor model... it would however give it added depth and use. eg: simple db-based shopping cart web site? use PHP... complex internet backing system? use Java. Easy! > (b) Java is (so far) the best implemented OO language out there that's > actually being used. It symbolizes the extreme OO world, if you will. Agreed - but that doesnt mean that the people on this list are assosiating more OO in PHP as being one step closer to PHP being PHP-Java. If I wanted Java's OO implementation in PHP, Id use Java. I dont - I want OO implementation (not even to the extremeness of Java) put in PHP. Im not even sure where the issue lies of taking the step - other than "where is this heading in the long run". Is this all that much of an issue to implement MI, Pub/Pri/Prot methods/vars, possibly interfaces? Not to be Java, but to extend PHP... all those would help PHP as a *web based language* (hell it would help any language IMHO - given that its optional and not enforced). Isnt that the long term goal of PHP (or ZE)? To provide a most powerful backend for scripting languages, and to provide a RAD tool for creating websites (or web based systems) quickly, easily and powerfully? All the above would take a step closer to both those goals. Unless Im missing the mark - for which I appologise. The PHP Group as a whole seems to have mixed feelings on this issue - could there be some form of concensus so that I (and many others on this list) can work out if the requested extra functionality is either ruled out, in for PHP version x, or undecided and under continued debate. I think all sides have made their opinions crystal clear. Appologises for any rambling - its 2:40am heh... thanks for reading :) -- Dan Hardiker [dhardiker@staff.firstcreative.net] ADAM Software & Systems Engineer First Creative Ltd