Re: Re: License for documentation (here: Supporting the translation team)

From: Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 20:32:24 +0000
Subject: Re: Re: License for documentation (here: Supporting the translation team)
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Friedhelm Betz wrote:
On Tuesday 10 June 2003 22:14, Sebastian Picklum wrote:
Hi everybody!
Translotors are always needed and very welcome! <<
Sure, but why do we make it so hard for everybody to join us? Nearly nobody discovers the page with the CVS-account-request-form (http://www.php.net/cvs-php.php: I sent the link to Ali... not sure if he would have discovered the page on his own). And even if someone gets there, he/she might be "afraid to ask" for an account ("You DO NOT need...").
Yes, it's not as easy but far away from "kneel down and beg for an account" . The "normal" procedure is to write a mail to phpdoc@list.php.net or doc-de@lists.php.net. People who want to help _should_ read the dochowto, where most things are covered, including how and where to get an account. By writing to one of the mentioned lists, people are pointed to the dochowto which the really shoild read;-) If someone really has the intention to contribute, it should be no problem to read the howto (~2 hours?) and they are always welcome to ask questions at the list(s). And its always helpful to include an ref in your account request to someone known by the groups@ people (like directed here by ...., e.g. Egon Schmid, once he was active);-)
Why don't we make it easier to join (e.g. create an own application form just for translators: "You know XML? You speak English? - Help us translating the manual"). IMO the current form is no invitation to join: It's a "kneel down and beg for an account".
I don't think the cvs account request is the greatest obstacle, more the handling and setting up cvs, working with xml and the rest....
Furthermore: If you look at the huge list of "translators" and then realize that only 20%-30% of them really do the work: I would make it even harder, like in the dev-group: FIRST contribute to the list, THEN get a cvs-account. Otherwise you create an endless number of accounts for PHP-beginners which just think they might help, and then they realize that it's work... Thomas

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