Re: Re: IRC Server - PHP

i'll address peter's points below, but this discussion has led directly into the rat's nest that i figured would happen here. it appears that the desire to set up new websites and servers is stronger than any desire to actually evangelise php. list of user groups? http://phpusergroups.org/ articles about php? http://www.phpbuilder.com/, http://php.weblogs.com/, etc. (there's a list at http://www.php.net/links.php.) if you really want to evangelise php, write articles for technology sites and magazines like webmonkey or dr. dobb's. if you want to write a tutorial for php, go for it. there's no lack of places to publish them. some of the places i've mentioned will actually pay you! i think building yet another site about php is just an excuse to set up a website and fiddle with the code, and will do very little to actually evangelise php. this irc digression is particularly annoying because irc is such a non-existent entity to a vast number of people. and it's a 'problem' that has already been solved (by pointing irc.php.net at irc.openprojects.net). anyway, on to the digression.... Peter Petermann <webmaster@cyberfly.net> wrote: >> and i think it is painfully obvious that given the choice between >> utilizing an existing irc network, and setting up a standalone server, >> it makes more sense to use an existing network. > > want some reasons why a php-specialised server would be great? > > a) on other networks you have a lot of diffrent channels. that seems like a plus to me. more channels mean more people on the network, which means more servers, which means more reliability. > if you have a server that is specialised for PHP you could tell your > Boss about that, so he will tell your admin that he should open > the firewall so you can work with that. > I dont think much Bosses like exployees that are on some > gaming/sex/whatever channel while working has anyone reported having this problem? why does this make the openprojects irc network unacceptable? it is focused completely on providing support channels for irc channels. > b) it would be easier to have all that great php projects > out there on one server, so if you need to talk to someone > of a specific project you just need to join their channel, and no > searching which network it could be with channel lists of size > 60k and larger openprojects currently has 502 channels. hardly a chore to find channels related to php or specific projects (#php, #php-gtk, #phpgroupware). there are also channels for related projects and technologies -- #apache, #xml, #webdesign, #java, etc. > c) If you have an ircserver you need admins/ircops for it > on most nets those ircops dont know much about php, > but a lot of people tends to ask ircops if they can help > and on most existing networks ircops wont even be > able to tell you in what channel you can get help. i don't believe this is a problem on openprojects. what happened to d and e? :) > f) finally with a php server, we are in control. > if someone spams (for example is joining regulary and telling everyone to > use metabase) > its hard on most ircnetworks to find an operator who sets an kline. > and as you may know: bans arent that effective. in the few times i've hung around #php on irc.php.net (still pointing at the openprojects network), this hasn't been a problem. jim