RE: [PHP-EVANGELISM] Re: IRC Server - PHP

Firstly, I have just accepted Peter's mail. I wasn't sure about doing so, however I don't want it to start an argument, so please respect that in replies... now, on to your points. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Winstead [mailto:jimw@apache.org] > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 6:13 PM > To: php-evangelism@lists.php.net > Subject: Re: [PHP-EVANGELISM] Re: IRC Server - PHP > > > i'll address peter's points below, but this discussion has led directly > into the rat's nest that i figured would happen here. it appears that > the desire to set up new websites and servers is stronger than any > desire to actually evangelise php. > No. The primary desire is to advocate and evangelise PHP. That's what we're doing here. However, after long discussion it would seem immediately apparent that there really isn't a single, trustable, common portal or place for either advocacy or evangelism of PHP. So, if it doesn't exist, we must create it. > list of user groups? http://phpusergroups.org/ Yes, that's a list of user groups. So? Where is the site which _helps_ user groups get started? > articles about php? http://www.phpbuilder.com/, > http://php.weblogs.com/, > etc. (there's a list at http://www.php.net/links.php.) yea. there are some there. But who wants to trudge through a google search to find an obscure article, when there is something much better, known as an official PHP portal, with archives of many articles from other sites? > > if you really want to evangelise php, write articles for technology > sites and magazines like webmonkey or dr. dobb's. > > if you want to write a tutorial for php, go for it. there's no lack of > places to publish them. some of the places i've mentioned will actually > pay you! Yes. i am lined up to write for a couple of very active .com developer sites, and am in talks with another... but that predates the php advocacy/evang stuff. > > i think building yet another site about php is just an excuse to set up > a website and fiddle with the code, and will do very little to actually > evangelise php. no. once the sites are built, i'm expecting to see a flurry of article activity. it should be great. > this irc digression is particularly annoying because irc is such a > non-existent entity to a vast number of people. and it's a 'problem' > that has already been solved (by pointing irc.php.net at > irc.openprojects.net). > IRC is just one part of it, and something that's been floated. it's an idea. i'm not going to respond to the other points on irc, since i think that this is just an idea, that doesn't need to be argued to death right now. james