RE: [PHP-EVANGELISM] Re: IRC Server - PHP

> right, free hosting was mentioned. > > hey, i'm all for it if someone finds a sponsor for it. > Yes, our intention is to provide hosting, support, etc. But also to provide "info packs" where people interested in setting up a php usergroup can get all the information, contact details etc they need. I've found this to be really usefull in some other things i do, and it actually makes the whole process much more user friendly. > we'll gladly point php.net subdomains at them (like we did for > chiphpug.php.net). and the same'll go for usephp.net and phpwire.net. We should probably get a request process going for this, would you be adverse to a script on master.php.net to automate this? That would probably make life easier for group - and namely you - to manage that. also, if you want assistance there, just ask. > if a usergroup wants a mailing list to be set up, all they need to do is > ask. Yea, again, perhaps we can have an automated system here? is there any chance of getting a full list of all email lists on lists.php.net, as a sidenote? > > well, i have done some articles, tutorials, i even did a book with some > > other peoples, but that is not the point. > > how is that not the point? i thought we were talking about evangelizing > php. i'm not sure how else you do that besides writing and talking about > php. The point is about making partnerships with people who already publish free scripts and articles, and offer / ask to mirror them when the time comes, and contribute to them. I have started this, i know others are working on it too. > > We are not talking about just another place for PHP Scripts, > > and if you would have read all mails here, you would know. > > i have read all the mails here. i haven't seen anything suggested that > does not already exist. all i see is a desire to build yet another php > article and tutorials site. No. not just another. a more archival site. but that's not really important. What's important is that we start writing content that helps a: advocate php, and b: evangelises's it's better use. > wow, great evangelism. so people should write articles for free? boy, > this open-source stuff sucks. money is always good. shame only one site i found actually offers it... > >> the openprojects irc network unacceptable? it is focused completely on > >> providing support channels for irc channels. Openprojects is fine for now... except there are more channels / people in efnet. but that's another matter ;) > look, irc.php.net points at irc.openprojects.net right now. i haven't > heard any good reason why pointing this at a standalone server wouldn't > be a significant step backwards. you gave a good reason for not pointing > irc.php.net at efnet or ircnet. in the grand scheme of things, the > number of people we want to evangelise that use irc is not all that > significant. i think we're just flogging a very dead horse. let's move > on to some actual evangelism! As far as this all goes, i think we've mentioned IRC, and we don't necessarily need to go further with it. I believe that an irc network just for php is a good thing, (look at irc.mozilla.org). but it's not important to do right now. You're right - it's important to discuss --and do-- the actual evangelism. --james