Re: PHP vs Java need advice!

Having management make decisions like this, without much research, is, unfortunately, a fact of life. I'm sure this person probably shopped around for a mortgage, compared features/benefits when looking at items to purchase, but 'only knows' java, so that's what everyone has to use. My guess here is that this individual will probably do very little coding as well, leaving most of it to you and the others in the trenches. Sorry to hear that... :( Yes, I know many purchases are not analytical but emotional - however, the larger the ticket item - I'm thinking mortgage-level here - the less people are inclined to just 'do it' because of the long-term ramifications. The same idea should apply here. *Arbitrarily* deciding to move to Java (or ASP, or Perl, or PHP, or CF, or whatever) is a bad move, period. Arbitrarily making *any* decision with that much imapct is bad. Having said that, java has some strengths too, but for rapid *web* development, PHP is still a tough cookie to beat. Joseph, I think I had it backwards some - the is a 'servlet' directory under the SAPI area in the source code - apparently you can build PHP4 to be run as a servlet, so it could be called from your Java system. The README says they've tested it with Tomcat already. Is there any reason why you can't use both at your place? Use PHP for what it's better at (taking into account that you've got people who already know it) but start testing the waters with some less critical apps in Java. See what works best for your company. If your management has been reading about how 'great' java is, it's probably NOT coming from an MS magazine - it's Java-friendly sources. No great shakes, but they need to realize what they're reading. Java-shops will sing the praises of Java, ASP-shops will sing MS praises, etc. Unfortunately, there's not a high-profile way of singing PHP praises (yet?). Have him interview real-world shops using Java, and see what dev time is for them (and maintenance time). See how it compares to what you're achieving already. Rant rant rant... :) Hope this helps some. "Paulson, Joseph V. \"Jay\"" wrote: > This is awesome stuff.. and yes it is management who is making this decision > so unless we come up with some kick butt stuff they just might move totally > over to java.. (the manager doesn't know php but only knows java so it's > going to be an up hill battle) > > Thanks for all the help! > Jay Paulson > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Matt McClanahan <cardinal@dodds.net> > To: Paulson, Joseph V. "Jay" <jay.paulson@viatel.com> > Cc: <php-general@lists.php.net> > Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 5:40 PM > Subject: Re: [PHP] PHP vs Java need advice! > > > On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Paulson, Joseph V. "Jay" wrote: > > > > > Hello everyone-- > > > Quick little question for you all. The company I work for is thinking > about > > > doing away with PHP (we are using 3.0.15). We use it for all of our > > > intranet things, which is 100's of applications. They are wanting to go > > > with Java servlets, beans etc. The thing is everyone here loves PHP so > we > > > are having to compile a big list why we want to keep it with our > company. > > > > Who is they? Assuming they are management, do they have a bullet point > > list of reasons why they want to move to Java? (I'm trying very hard to > > avoid remarks about basing policy decisions on trade magazine articles, > > here) > > > > I'd suggest in your attempt to counter the move to Java, you recommend > > instead updating your apps to PHP4 (Which may not actually involve any > > work, but that's just a matter of testing) so that you can take advantage > > of all that PHP4 goodness (Better speed, optimizer, etc), and what is to > > come (Compiler, other Zend toys). > > > > > I was wondering if anyone could possibly point me to ANY and ALL > articles > > > talking about security, speed, and anything else you could think of that > > > would make PHP look good to the higher ups :) Articles comparing PHP to > > > Java would be the best if there are any! > > > > > > Any help would be GREAT because all the developers here love php and > don't > > > want to have to rewrite everything using java. > > > > And from the sounds of it, doing so would be silly. If you're talking > > about 100's of intranet applications, that implies to me that they are > > 100's of relatively small apps. This is not even slightly what Java is > > aimed towards, so from my perspective rewriting all that code in Java > > would be overkill. PHP, on the other hand, is about the most perfect > > small app development environment you could ask for. It's there with all > > the extensions at your disposal, no compiling or environment configuration > > to worry about. > > > > Matt > > > > > > -- > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribe@lists.php.net > > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-help@lists.php.net > > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-admin@lists.php.net > > > > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribe@lists.php.net > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-help@lists.php.net > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-admin@lists.php.net -- ========================== Michael Kimsal http://www.tapinternet.com 734-480-9961