Re: What's wrong the __autoload()?

Greg Donald wrote:

On 3/12/08, Robert Cummings <robert@interjinn.com> wrote:

Just because someone got a flashy new toy doesn't mean I want it. I've got better things to do than play with flashy toys for the mere purpose of playing with flashy toys. I like to use tools that get jobs done.

Translation: I'm too lazy to learn anything new since I already know PHP. Languages come and go. There's a reason why we no longer need a cgi-bin and Perl to make an animated gif. Going further, who the hell even uses animated gifs any more?

Ummm, I originally looked into Ruby and RoR because someone spouted off "better" and "easier". After reviewing, looking at the language, trying some code, reading other peoples blogs, magazine articles, searching the web... I decided, using the brain I've been nurturing since I was a fetus, that I preferred PHP.

Great, just so long as we're clear on the point that Ruby is better than PHP, just not for you personally. I'm totally fine with leaving the discussion at the "differently preferred opinion" level. Sounds like a cop-out but I'm ok with your holding that position all the same.

But then who would confront your rhetoric and propaganda?

I do exhibit a bit of rhetoric at times, but in my defense it came standard with my inquisitive mind. Conversely I do not know what propaganda you speak of. I've never once made a specific claim in favor of Ruby that I couldn't back up with example code.

You're assuming that we choose PHP over RoR based on having seen a 5 minute tutorial. Wow, aren't you just full of assumptions.

Ok then, how many projects did you pursue before giving up and concluding Rails or Ruby was too much effort to learn? URL? I will point out it's probably a good thing this same lack of effort on your part did not occur when you began to learn PHP, otherwise we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

Interestingly, laziness is one of the biggest motivators of innovation. Do more with less.

Well that sure as hell ain't PHP. ROFL. More with less, using PHP, hilarious. /me points to SPL and laughs his ass off

That SHOULD be part of any developers mandate... but not blindly.

If by blindly you mean fun, fast, test-driven, productive development, then yeah I guess so.

I didn't want to have to do this, but read some of Terry Chay's work on Ruby. There are plenty of people who just prefer PHP to RoR. Some people like Java, some people like .NET, etc. Get over yourself. You come to a PHP mailing list to proclaim that RoR is better? What did you expect? It's people like you that turn a lot of people off to Ruby. The community is insane! This was a great read. If nothing else he's funny. http://terrychay.com/blog/article/php-ruby-evil-good.shtml -- Ray Hauge www.primateapplications.com