Re: Re: Re: Re: A Little Something.

You clearly think you're right, which is your right, but I'm not sensing any openness to alternative points of view so this will be my last comment on this pointless conversation. It's just not fun anymore. On 22 May 2008, at 15:10, Michelle Konzack wrote:

Am 2008-05-21 19:17:09, schrieb Stut:

Violation of privacy? Let's start with the fact that it's not collecting anything you don't put out there when you use your browser. Let's add that none of that info can personally identify you without consulting your ISP who are highly unlikely to disclose who you are without a court order.

Not realy right, because the Music-Industry try to enforce a International Law which they permit to contact directly the ISP's for informations about customers...

"try". Yup, that's right *you* said try. They need a court order to get that information (which is what I said) and they always will. If they can show that they have reasonable cause to believe someone has broken the law then a court order will be forthcoming. I don't have a problem with that, and if you have nothing to hide neither should you. [IMHO]

So, this law can be misused in any case... And as I have already sayed, if they get ONE time infos about me, I am tracable worldwide with my Laptop which let me run into heavy trouble.

I can't really reach any conclusion from that statement other than that you're breaking the law. You might want to stop doing that - you might be able to relax.

Again, if you want to block it I have no problem with that. I think you're overly cautious but it's entirely your choice.

There are since years threads in many Forums arround the world about Google and privacy violations.

Don't really see the relevance of that comment and my comment. Are you actually reading what I'm typing? Block it if you want, I don't give a rats behind, but (yes, back to the actual point I originally made) don't block half of it and then complain that it's causing errors.

Google Analytics (which is where the Urchin code comes from) does gather a tiny bit more information than normal server logs but none of it is personally identifiable or in any way a security risk. But just

This is not right... Once they HAVE infos about your ISP, you are tracable and Google hast the posibilities and resources to do it.

You are *anonymously* traceable. They still need a court order to connect that information to you personally, and they don't hand those out without just cause. Again, I suggest you stop breaking the law so you can relax a bit.

Then don't use sites that use it from those countries. Or, better yet, turn your computer off and go play outside.

Really don't know where you're getting that from, but if it's even remotely true nobody would be using Google Analytics. I'm betting you're confusing Analytics with something else Google do, but for the life of me I can't think what.

Sorry but it was already in the Press that the NSA is using Google and they have confimed it officialy!!!

Reference please? *How* are they using it? Are they using it like any other individual or organisation would use it, or do they have an illegal arrangement with Google to get access to personal information? Just looking for more than your word, that's all.

Ooh, give 'em a peanut. I live and work in the UK and every site I work on that uses Google Analytics has nothing specific about Google Analytics in the privacy policy. They all talk about use of cookies, IP addresses and server logs and I've never had any complaints.

Because most users care about there priacy?

I assume you mean "most users don't care". If people cared about their privacy they'd do everything with cash which they'd stash under their mattress, wouldn't use loyalty cards and certainly wouldn't go near the Internet. Total privacy is overrated and extremely inconvenient. I'd end with "get over it" but I just don't see it happening so let's go with "live with it". -Stut -- http://stut.net/