RE: [PHP] Re: Why MS Won't Retire Browsers -- was: Interntet Explorer 8 beater 2 [0T]

> -----Original Message----- > From: Jochem Maas [mailto:jochem@iamjochem.com] > Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 10:28 AM > To: Boyd, Todd M. > Cc: php-general@lists.php.net > Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: Why MS Won't Retire Browsers -- was: Interntet > Explorer 8 beater 2 > > Boyd, Todd M. schreef: > >> -----Original Message----- > > ... > ---8<--- snip > I despise Vista, everytime I have to fix it (or use it) my blood > pressure rises, with XP I experienced mild annoyance > once in a while and with MacOSX I'm generally finding that I'm > pleasantly surprised with the ease with which most > things are done (actually I believe M$ Windows Explorer is better than > MacOSX Finder, but that partly due to > years of experience/usage). > > I have colleagues using Vista and I hear them shout at it daily, pretty > damning considering they generally > know how to get around an OS ... but the clincher as to why Vista sucks > ... I was asked to replace a PC > for a lady I know, she a basic user with no real understanding of > computers ... she's used both > Vista and XP ... the first thing she said to me: "don't you dare > install Vista, 'I hate it'" ... > when a semi- computer literate end-user gives me that line I know that > Vista just doesn't fly. > > it's not a question of bitching rather a question of accepting general > user's experiences and opinions, > and avoiding Vista (and thereby saving oneself a lot of grief). The > idea that it's acceptable that an OS > is shipped in a configuration that required you to fiddle (with regedit > for ****s sake) all sorts of > settings in order to get it into a usable state. It was absolutely useable before I made the registry mod... and I'm not saying it's a good OS, either. I'm just saying I'm tired of hearing people bash it with no foundation to stand on. Since writing that message, several people have replied back as if I am some sort of frontline for Microsoft. I think, as far as operating systems go (and software in general, for that matter), they develop piss-poor packages and provide worse support. However, I still don't "get" the rise against Vista outside of not wanting to pay more. WARNING: None of your complaints are going to make it to Microsoft through me. :) I don't work for them. I don't endorse their products. I just hate to hear people say, "Product X sucks. The makers of Product X suck, too," without any sort of factual information provided to support their opinion/argument. I run Ubuntu, Debian, Windows XP, Windows 2000, Windows Vista, OSX Leopard, MS-DOS 6, blah blah blah... and I've even been trying versions of ReactOS (a Windows XP clone project) as they are released. > Comparing it to MacOSX is rather amusing, I got my first Mac at the end > of last year ... I started it up > and it pretty much only asked me for my name, I was up and running in > minutes, and I haven't had to tweak or > 'fix' anything ... it took me about 1.5 days to get properly accustomed > (to a completely new OS!). If a > 'small' company like apple can produce this level of quality (in a lot > less time as well) then M$'s latest > offering is quite simply shameful ... you can develop and deploy a > spaceshuttle with all the trimmings for > the kind of money & time they pumped into Vista > > ... so yeah, I'm not bitchin', I'm laughing (& weeping). > > If Vista floats your boat that's great, but I for one would rather buy > my sister (for example) an iMac than > spend 5 minutes fixing her Vista machine. > > other bitching's: > > WebKit: fringe browser tech, the only thing annoying is that it's > another frakkin' marginally different > browser platform that I have to support/test on. > > Google: yeah they're evil all round, WTF do you expect from a company > intent on ruling everything. > > Xandros EEE: don't care what-so-ever, I don't believe the large numbers > of linux distro's are at all helpful > to the cause and silly little gimmick machine's aimed at Paris-Hilton- > wannabe-bloggers don't really interest me. This "gimmick machine" (or at least the technology involved, when applied to other projects) is aimed at being an affordable, solar-rechargeable, decentralized-wireless-network-capable laptop to cost about $200 or less. Its major market target right now is developing countries where information interchange has yet to springboard like it has in "first world" nations. Anyway, I digress... > Facebook: principly unsound. a social gimmick devoid of depth and > integrity, it's merely a new form of > the ago old mechanisms of large scale social control. really not > interested in that at all. Uhh. "Large scale social control"? Seriously? Todd Boyd Web Programmer