Re: Re: Opinions / Votes Needed

"Stuart" <stuttle@gmail.com> wrote in message news:a5f019de0901181322i2a4cbfaam4d36eff843f42300@mail.gmail.com... > 2009/1/18 Tony Marston <tony@marston-home.demon.co.uk>: >> In case you have forgotten what this thread is about, the OP gave a list >> of >> suggested "improvements" to PHP and asked for opinions. I merely gave my >> opinion that these "improvements" would be a waste of time as they would >> add >> nothing to the language (IMHO, of course). How many in this frum have >> expressed any support for any of these "improvements"? > > That's not the point. You attacked the suggester not the suggestions. > That's all I'm trying to point out. There's a way to disagree in a > reasonable manner. Anybody who suggests that PHP be changed from dynamic typing to static typing is feeble minded, one brick short of a full load, one sandwich short of a picnic, off his trolley, talking out of the wrong end of his alimentary canal, etc, etc. In my humble opinion, of course. >> "not be feasible" covers "loss of performance", "loss of BC" >> and "a whole >> bunch of other issues". If the cost of implementing your "improvements" >> is >> not worth the dubious benefit then why should they considered? > > Without adequate investigation or comment from people who actually > know about this stuff it's impossible to say whether the costs are too > great to make them acceptable against the benefits. > > OO had a massive negative effect on performance, but it still happened > because the benefits greatly outweighed the costs. IMHO all ideas > should be properly considered, regardless of my gut reaction to them. Statuic typing is unworthy of consideration in a language whch has made its bones from being dynamically typed. In my humble opinion, of course. -- Tony Marston http://www.tonymarston.net http://www.radicore.org >>> As far as your "if I can do it why can't you" comment goes, I don't >>> think anything has been said that would imply Nathan is not just as >>> capable of developing complex systems as you think you are. He has >>> expressed a wish for some additional features in PHP because he's used >>> other languages with those features and he likes them. Does this mean >>> he's inexperienced or incapable? No, and it's a shame you can't see >>> past the end of your superiority complex and acknowledge that. >> >> I never said that I am superior, just that the lack of these requested >> features has not stopped me, or many other PHP programmers I would >> imagine, >> from writing large, complex applications with PHP. I have used many >> languages in my 35+ year career, and I am far more productive with PHP >> than >> I have been with all the others. > > People rarely say they're superior, but that opinion often comes > across in the way they interact with others. I don't care how long > your career has been, there's a way to productively deal with other > people. > > Coming back to the OO example, a lot of us got a lot done before that > came along, but that didn't make it any less welcome when it arrived, > and someone had to take the first step and suggest it. Attack people > for making suggestions and you'll quickly lose a valuable source of > ideas. > > I'm done with this now as you're clearly set in your ways and it's not > adding value to the discussion. > > Nathan: I see you've taken this over to the internals list. I wish you > luck with your suggestions. Keep 'em coming. > > -Stuart > > -- > http://stut.net/