Re: Re: Opinions / Votes Needed

""Daniel Brown"" <danbrown@php.net> wrote in message news:ab5568160901191010u2d4073aas33789f0c81183fb3@mail.gmail.com... > On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 12:36, Tony Marston > <tony@marston-home.demon.co.uk> wrote: >> >> Really? In 2007 I single-handedly designed and built an ERP system with >> 130 >> database tables, 230 relationships and 1000 screens, all with PHP and >> without an ORM and static typing. This took me 6 months. If you can't >> equal >> that then either you are not much of a programmer, or your development >> style >> is not as good as you think it is. > > And yet, just a few months ago, you couldn't figure out how to > launch a background process from PHP[1]. Launching a background process is easy (yes, even I can read the manual) but what I wanted to do was launch a background process and leave it running while the launching script continued on to something else. The example in the manual did not work for me, so I asked if there was an alternative solution. > Lesson: Alzheimer's is a bitch. > >> If you want a good ORM then write one yourself, or is that beyond your >> capabilities? >> >> Personally I wouldn't touch an ORM with a barge pole. I develop >> applications >> using the 3 Tier Architecture (no, it's not the same as MVC) with a Data >> Access layer that I can easily switch between MySQL, PostgreSQL and >> Oracle. >> If I can do it then why can't you? > > The pattern I note here is, "I have been the best programmer since > 1977, and the standard of 'Good v. Bad' must be judged by me." Now you're being disingenuous by quoting things which I did not say. I did not say that I have been the *best* programmer since 1977, nor did I say that the standard of Good v. Bad must be judged by me. I was just pointing out that if a simpleton like me can do those things then why can't all these so-called gurus? > In > your section "My career history - disasters I have encountered"[2], > you list three projects that didn't go as expected. That's a great > ratio, considering the level of success you've probably had in > counter. I'd admit at least a dozen projects over the years that > ended in failure or less-than-successfully. The issue I see is that, > in the three examples, your summary of what led to the failure was the > fault of others. That is correct. Every project where I was in charge and never ended in failure. It was only those projects which were controlled by others which goyt screwed up. Two of those were government contracts. > Question: Why hath they forsaken Thee, Lord?!? > >> If you spend a year writing useless code, then it's your fault, not PHPs. >> It's a bad workman who blames his tools. > > For this statement, I completely agree. Please, do not let others know that you agree with me. That might be seen as setting an embarrassing precedent. :) > I'm not entirely sure > where I see blame being placed on the language, but perhaps I've > missed something. What I do see is that PHP is an adaptable language, > intended to be molded, customized, and extended for each individual > scenario. While changing the language in its core and releasing that > as the official package will affect thousands of developers and > countless lines of code, it is irresponsible and counterproductive to > tell someone that they can not garner the opinions of others who would > be interested to join in a project, outside of the core, to effect > those changes; worse still to belittle someone in public. As the > saying goes, "'tis better to keep one's mouth closed and be thought a > fool than to open it and remove all doubt." In writing, this is even > truer. > > Observation: It is a bad workman who blames his tools, but it is a > feeble-minded workman who shits where he eats: one who wastes billions > of processor cycles to insult someone's intelligence in the same forum > in which he announces his own framework. Why is it considerd bad form to insult the intelligence of a feeble minded twat who requests that PHP be changed from a dynamically typed to a statically typed language? He later changed it to type hinting on variables, but the original request was definitely for static typing. > > KEY: > > 1: > http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.php.general/190836/match= > 2: http://www.tonymarston.net/aboutme/disasters.html > > -- > </Daniel P. Brown> > daniel.brown@parasane.net || danbrown@php.net > http://www.parasane.net/ || > http://www.pilotpig.net/ > Unadvertised dedicated server deals, too low to print - email me to find > out!