Re: Compiled Source for PHP?

Check out my last line - become an ASP - that's the only way to keep your code proprietary. However, not matter how cool your application is, there will be ripoffs. Not only that your competitors will have looked and poked it to death, thus creating their own version (even making it better than yours) in no time. It's like my dad - he's an architect. Sure he doesn't have the plans to your house, but give him the "nickel tour" and he'll draw one up almost exactly like it. I can't think of a good way to get around this other than proprietary doc formats like Word has, which isn't the way the web works (unless you are Real) --Joe On Tue, Dec 19, 2000 at 09:42:41AM -0800, Dallas Kropka wrote: > yes, but what if you are building an application for commercial > distribution??? Then you will certainly not want the general public to see > how your system works... > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joe Stump" <joe@earth.care2.com> > To: "James Moore" <jmoore@php.net> > Cc: <php-general@lists.php.net> > Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 2:51 PM > Subject: Re: [PHP] Compiled Source for PHP? > > > > I release everything GPL so this is kind of null and void. I personally > never > > understood the reason for "hiding" code. Most people that you are giving > your > > code to (ie a client) has a right to your code since it's usually done > under > > a "work for hire" contract - so you hiding it usually breaks that. > > > > If you want to "sell" PHP I would recommend co-branding or becoming an > ASP. > > > > --Joe > > > > On Sun, Dec 17, 2000 at 10:14:29PM -0000, James Moore wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > IIRC, what it will do is work with precompiled Zend bytecode and > > > > then parse > > > > that when the page is requested. Writing a decompiler wouldn't be > terribly > > > > difficult, so there's probably not that much security, even if > encrypted. > > > > > > > > On Sun, 17 Dec 2000, Joe Stump wrote: > > > > > > > > > I'll believe it when I see it - and according to Rasmus it's > > > > only going to be > > > > > an obfusicator (or however you spell it) which means if you > > > > have it on your > > > > > machine you can jsut unobfusicate it. > > > > > > > > > > > >From what I have heard and seen myself this is TOTALLY UNTRUE there is > no > > > easy way to unencode the code. The alogarithms are very complex and > > > difficult to decode back to PHP. You might conciveably get it back to > Zend > > > Bytecode (I havnt seen the alogaritms that Zeev and Andi used) but I > would > > > imagine that would be a task in itself and when you get it back to byte > code > > > its still not much use.. youll have real fun reading through the > bytecode > > > and figureing out whats happening? Every decompiled a C/C++ app? You > know > > > you get it in ASM lang at best?? It will be like reading that but > without > > > any real documentation.. I havnt seen any copies of the decompiled win32 > > > source code going about cause someone decompiled it to ASM then > translated > > > it back to C.. if you are clever enough to do that then there is no need > for > > > you to do it as you could write a far superior application in the time. > > > > > > As for the Jan release date I would imagine that is also accurate so I > hope > > > you will all be getting your copy from Zend on the 23rd January..Sign up > > > your email here http://www.zend.com/store_update.php > > > and be notified of > the > > > release and opening of the store when it happens. > > > > > > James > > > -- > > > James Moore > > > PHP Quality Assurance Team > > > jmoore@php.net > > > > > > > --- > > Joe Stump > > PHP Programmer > > www.Care2.com > > > > > > -- > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribe@lists.php.net > > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-help@lists.php.net > > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-admin@lists.php.net > > > > > --- Joe Stump PHP Programmer www.Care2.com