Re: Better known PHP users list

hi, this is certainly a good thing, but imho, it suffers from the same problems that an official list do: 1. there's no concrete urls clearly demonstrating the usage of php. 2. it would be also nice to have (at least estimated) percentage of php usage on the site (e.g., the ratio |php-generated pages| / |all displayable pages|). many customers are curious about the "technology" used in their web sites, and get confused when they hear "php". much effort is needed to convince them, since they: 1. want good-looking site. seems that to show another "good" site using php is enough. 2. want "speed", whatever is meant by it. one can't explain the distinction between bandwidth, web server, application server, database server -- customers don't like things they don't understand. to show a "fast" site is not enough -- concrete benchmarks are needed. 3. want maintainability. they tend to think that with asp or other visual tool they don't need to hire qualified staff. the argument of the manager is "in an emergency even me (even a hardware technician) can fix it". this one is difficult. how would one show the equivalence of the maintenance to a person with strong prejudices / bias towards "visual" tools? i think that php will spread faster if we can deliver these issues to our customers' minds. and "ubiquitous" means "popular". i use a different account to read this list, so please cc the replies (if any) to me. with best regards, baurjan. On Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 07:01:46PM -0700, Chris Adams wrote: > Just in case anyone else is running into the "Who's using PHP?" questions > from clients, I've compiled a short list of some better known sites which > use PHP. The focus is on name recognition since a certain subset of the > client population care more about doing what everyone else is doing rather > than considering what's best for their needs. I've added some of the sites > mentioned on the recent thread on this list. As always, corrections or > additions are strongly encouraged. > > http://gateway.digitaria.com/~chris/php/sites.html