Re: PHP vs. JSP

The main issue with JSP vs. PHP isn't, in my opinion, their speed or whether or not they come bundled with lots of libraries. Speed wise, PHP 4.0 is as quick as JSP, and it may very well get quicker. Libraries bundled aren't much of an issue. The real issue is development time. Simply put, Java isn't, and was never meant to be a rapid development language. It's not a scripting language. That is, in my opinion, JSP's biggest flaw. Zeev On Sat, 29 Jul 2000, Teodor Cimpoesu wrote: > Hi Shashank! > On Sat, 29 Jul 2000, Shashank Tripathi wrote: > > > > we've seen PHP vs. ASP...how does it compare to JSP? > I am coding in PHP for about 2 years, but JSP/EJB got my vote. > > > If you dont mind downloading a million libraries, a Java Servlet Exec, a > > whole shebang of coding sequences to follow, then you might go with JSP. > what are those milions of libraries? > don't you also need third party libs for PHP too (except MySQL which > comes bundled) ? > I have jdk118/Resin113|Tomcat31/MM JDBC driver for MySQL. That's all I need. > > > The *only* time I'd go with JSP is when I need to keep connections live > > between the client and the server, such as in an online chat (you can do it > > with mod_perl too, which happens to be THE FASTEST, period). > hmm, I think you are confusing a web container with an applet. > > > Otherwise, believe me, PHP (and in some cases, ASP) rules. > > > > Among other things: > > 1. PHP is easier to learn > > 2. PHP is easier to code/debug/maintain > I do not agree with this one. There are already plenity of IDEs and > debugging tools for JSP. > Until the PHP debugger is out, we can only echo()/die()/var_dump()/error_log() > and stuff like that... > > > 3. Some benchmarks (you can search the archives of this list) suggest that > > PHP is much faster than JSP (its a two-digit multiple, not 2-3 times) > I'll have a look. My tests revealed the opposite (given the fact that > java code is kept in memory, and compiled much faster with a JIT compiler ) > > > Java is lucky that it is backed by an enterprise level entity (SUN) and ASP > > is lucky because it has Microsoft. > also Java has the support of Oracle, IBM and Apache Group, to name a few. > > > If Perl and PHP were backed by big corps > > (and I hope PHP.net and ActiveState become as big as Sun/M$), they would > > knock the socks off Java - at least as far as web development is concerned. > for this to happen those companies must me convinced to get involved > and provide support for this comunity of developers. > > I preffer writing my scripts in vim, but I surely enjoy VisualAge say > when coding JSP. > > I am looking forward for a benchmark suite for PHP/Perl/ASP/JSP, and > some unbiased test (yeah, dreams). > > > -- teodor > > -- Zeev Suraski <zeev@zend.com> http://www.zend.com/