RE: [PHP-DEV] RFC Abolish Narrow Margins

Joe, First, you have to wait an absolute minimum of one week, and arguably two weeks, from the point in time you say you intend to move ahead with the RFC for a vote. That’s per the ratified Voting RFC, this really isn’t up for the individual RFC author to decide. It’s clear that an author can’t wake up a year after a certain discussion and move directly to a vote, even in the poorly written Voting RFC that’s currently in effect. Given the far reaching implications of this particular RFC, it’s pretty clear that this shouldn’t be one of the short, 1-week ones, but I guess this is open for interpretation (yet another illness of the current Voting RFC that must be resolved). Re: JIT - I don’t think we should halt the discussion on the RFC, but I do think it should require a 2/3 majority – IFF we define the voting rights and other topics. In other words – we can start discussing the merits and downsides of the RFC – but should probably wait with the vote itself until that’s cleared. For the record, I resent the language you used and the mal-intentions you attribute to me here. I’ll leave it at that. Zeev From: Joe Watkins <krakjoe@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2019 3:26 PM To: Zeev Suraski <zeev@zend.com> Cc: internals@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC Abolish Narrow Margins Afternoon Zeev, I imagine you will not like what I have to say either: In light of the recent actions you have taken and are taking to push incomplete software into php-src on narrow margins, prematurely, it makes perfect sense to discuss margins independently, and I intend to do so. Your opinion will be taken into consideration when you cast your vote. I do insist, and will not be waiting two weeks, unless you agree to delay the JIT RFC until this issue is resolved. Cheers Joe On Thu, 31 Jan 2019 at 14:07, Zeev Suraski <zeev@zend.com<mailto:zeev@zend.com>> wrote: >-----Original Message----- >From: Joe Watkins ><krakjoe@gmail.com<mailto:krakjoe@gmail.com>> >Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2019 2:59 PM >To: >internals@lists.php.net<mailto:internals@lists.php.net> >Subject: [PHP-DEV] RFC Abolish Narrow Margins > >Afternoon internals, > >Some time ago I brought up for discussion: >https://wiki.php.net/rfc/abolish-narrow-margins > >I intend to bring this up for vote in the next few days. Joe, Given that time that passed since I brought up my wider-scoped RFC, and yet haven't pushed it through (some major things were happening on my end, as you may have heard...) - I can imagine you're not going to like what I'm going to say, but fundamentally - nothing changed. It still doesn't make sense, IMHO, to discuss the margin independently of other questions - even if you explicitly mention them as being outside of the scope of the RFC. Also, given the time that passed and the importance of this, it should require a brand new mandatory 2-week discussion period before we go for a vote - even if you insist on moving forward with this narrow-scoped RFC. At the same time, I'd like to finally solicit feedback explicitly on my wider-scoped RFC, as I guess we can't wait any longer. I'll send a separate email about that. Zeev