RE: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Explicit call-site send-by-ref syntax

From: Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 04:54:43 +0000
Subject: RE: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Explicit call-site send-by-ref syntax
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> I'm sorry Stas, but I will not be reading your mails in the future. I think you mean > well and do raise legitimate points, but I have noticed over a long period of time > that I find arguing with you to be extremely mentally exhaustive, while > ultimately deriving very little actionable benefit from these discussions. You just > rub me entirely the wrong way. That's ultimately my own personal issue, but I > don't think I can avoid acting on it any longer. I hope your position is sufficiently > well-represented by other people. Nikita, I'm sorry, but that is completely unacceptable. I'm another person with whom you used this approach in practice (and said as much, twice), even if you didn't go quite as far as saying that it will be your ongoing policy (and ignored my feedback on this). While disregarding a person's opinion (especially one that's a core contributor) is unacceptable by itself - it's even worse since claiming that "others will represent the position" is playing make-belief. The reality (based on track record) is that you very much tend to simply ignore strong & well-reasoned opposition to your proposals. This has no place on internals. If you can't thoroughly discuss the merits and issues of your proposals, don't propose. Better yet - if you think that a proposal coming from you is likely to result in a discussion that will mentally exhaust you - don't propose it. It probably means it's far outside consensus and has no place in PHP. Regards, Zeev

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