Re: [RFC] [VOTE] Deprecate PHP's short open tags, again

On Wed, 7 Aug 2019 at 16:14, Zeev Suraski <zeev@php.net> wrote: > > > > On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 4:56 PM Dan Ackroyd <Danack@basereality.com> wrote: >> >> On Wed, 7 Aug 2019 at 09:45, Peter Kokot <peterkokot@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > Yes, last time I was asking this, there was a clarification that >> > certain people from the group internals can veto particular RFC. >> >> Please could you point to where this alleged rule has ever been >> written down or agreed to? > > > There's indeed no such rule that any individuals have a veto power. > >> >> Although certain people may have claimed this is a rule, it's never >> been agreed afaik. > > > I'm not aware of anybody who ever claimed that such a rule existed, either. If people are > alluding to me - then I don't claim I can veto anything; I think it's also clear from > what I think about the short tags deprecation RFC that if I had veto power, that would be an > instance where I'd use it. The reason we went for V2 aren't because of a veto, but > because of issues in the previous RFC. > > With that said - the source code of PHP is copyrighted by the PHP Group - and it's a fact > that is mentioned at the top of every PHP source file. The PHP Group is mostly inactive, and will > likely stay this way, but under some extreme situations - it might choose to act (if ever - probably > primarily around things that have to do with process). > >> I think when we adopt a Code of Conduct one of the things we need to >> make explicit is that "claiming authority that is not codified" is >> explicitly a thing that will not be allowed in internals discussions >> as it seems to keep happening and results in a lot of confusion, and >> frustration. > > > The more accurate word here is 'if', rather than 'when'. But I don't > think there's a need to wait for a CoC on this one - it should be clear that no individual has > veto powers, but it should be also clear that not everything is up for a vote. > > Zeev > Veto has been mentioned here https://externals.io/message/105201#105558 I'm not having any issues with veto being used here or not on a previous RFC from people that are in the internals since day 1. I think we should respect that they have issues with proposals coming up in recent years, but hopefully group will also understand us - users and new contributors a bit that we just want to have a bit of cleanup of legacy things here and there :) Thanks and have a nice day. -- Peter Kokot