Re: [RFC][Discussion] Objects can be declared falsifiable

From: Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 17:14:36 +0000
Subject: Re: [RFC][Discussion] Objects can be declared falsifiable
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On Wed, Jul 15, 2020, at 11:59 AM, Marco Pivetta wrote: > Hey Larry, > <http://ocramius.github.com/> > > > On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 6:55 PM Larry Garfield <larry@garfieldtech.com> > wrote: > > > I disagree entirely. The value of a Maybe over just null is > > > > 1) You can bind to it even if the result is empty; the "if is null" check > > gets abstracted away from the main code. > > > > That's correct: that's how the Maybe monad works too. That... is what I'm describing? A Maybe Monad? > > 2) You are forced to unwrap/extract the value if you're not just binding, > > which makes it less likely you'll forget to check if it's null > > > No need to unwrap: that's what >>= does for you. > > Assuming you use psalm or phpstan, a program that doesn't use > >>=, or > forgets to check for null on ?T > does not type-check anyway, and can be > rejected before even writing any runtime tests: that's sound. > > Marco Pivetta My Haskell experience is zilch, but since PHP lacks a dedicated bind operator that also magically unwraps, that doesn't seem relevant. (Mind you, I'd be all for a dedicated bind operator that also auto-unwraps! But that's not on the radar at the moment.) --Larry Garfield

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