Re: Adding `final class Deque` to PHP
| From: | Mike Schinkel | Date: | Tue, 21 Sep 2021 19:28:05 +0000 |
| Subject: | Re: Adding `final class Deque` to PHP | ||
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> On Sep 21, 2021, at 1:12 PM, Pierre Joye <pierre.php@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 21, 2021, 11:56 PM Mike Schinkel <mike@newclarity.net
> <mailto:mike@newclarity.net>> wrote:
> > On Sep 21, 2021, at 3:45 AM, Pierre Joye <pierre.php@gmail.com
> > <mailto:pierre.php@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 11:21 AM Mike Schinkel <mike@newclarity.net
> > <mailto:mike@newclarity.net>> wrote:
> >
> >> Honestly, at first I confused
Deque with
> >>Dequeue and was wondering why we would name a class with a verb? It
> >> wasn't until Rowan's comment that I realized Deque is an
> >> abbreviation.
> >>
> >> Which begs the question: how many other PHP developers will know computer science
> >> terms like this well enough to know Deque is a noun when they see
> >> it, and more importantly how many PHP developers will think to search for
> >> Deque when they need a queue?
> >
> > Unlike the Vector name which is really confusing as it is not a
> > vector, Deque is actually relatively known for anyone needing a double
> > ended queue. It even comes first in google search, wikipedia or java
> > implementations, which matches this implementation.
>
> Being able to google what Deque means is one thing, but thinking to search for it when you
> don't know it exists *and* you don't know that Deque is the term you would need to be
> searching for.
>
> > We expect our
> > users to know all weird names of different patterns, I trust them to
> > be able to learn what a Deque is. :)
>
> So we expect PHP developers to have a computer science background? Maybe you are assuming
> everyone minimally has your expertise? Have we as a group decided to forsake beginners?
>
>
> It is not what I was trying to explain.
>
> However if one looks at the php documentation looking for specific things like these, the Deque
> will be there.
>
> So I am not expecting anyone to have a CS background (btw, I don't), however I do have a
> minimal trust in users reading the docs and doing a minimum of research.
And what I was trying to explain is that given my past experience working with other PHP developers,
I believe that trust is misplaced for many.
And why make it harder than it needs to be? For PHP, jargon is Bad(tm), IMHO anyway.
-Mike