Re: SplClassLoader RFC Voting phase

Actually, I just re-read the RFC again and I noticed something that's really irksome to me: > Implementation extension > According to new threads in php-standards list, it seems all derived implementations have > included these extensions to original support: > Multiple paths per namespace > Silent mode as a flag > This turns the RFC specification incompatible with current patch. Patch is going to be updated > as soon as voting ends. And the following: > NOTE: This implementation is not the proposed final. It requires two updates: > * Multiple paths per namespace > * Silent mode If the RFC is changing (which hasn't really been done so with the exception of a few TODO notes), how can we vote on it? We're voting on the RFC which is a moving target? I make a formal motion to stop the vote at this time, stabilize and finalize the RFC and bring that finalized RFC to a vote at a later date (after at least a reduced round of discussion time has taken place). Otherwise what are we really voting on, if we think PSR-0 is important? The RFC is about putting in an implementation which as of now is not fully specified either in text or in example. How can we vote on a moving target...? Anthony On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Anthony Ferrara <ircmaxell@gmail.com> wrote: > Well, with respect to that, are there any examples of where PHP > currently "reserves the namespace"?  I can declare functions/classes > for every single disablable/PECL extension right now.  So is there > even a method to "reserve a namespace", yet alone enforce that in > core? > > And with respect to the re-compile, what usually happens is that the > windows builds ship with DLLs of the compiled extensions.  So it's not > a "part of the core compile", but an extension that can be enabled via > php.ini (as is currently working with apc, mbstring, mysql, mysqli, > etc). > > Anthony > > On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Lester Caine <lester@lsces.co.uk> wrote: >> Anthony Ferrara wrote: >>> >>> Lester, >>> >>> I think he was referring to something like the MySQL/bcmath/etc >>> extension where it ships in core, but is disabled by default (requires >>> a compile-time option). >>> >>> I think what you interpreted it as is basically just what PECL is for >>> and how it works?  Considering that it would basically be just `pecl >>> install PSRClassLoader`?  And at that point there's no reason for >>> anything in the core (even reserving a namespace).  That's how other >>> extensions (even popular ones like apc) work now... >>> >>> Unless I'm misunderstanding what you mean...? >> >> Actually the "reserve the namespace" is probably the important piece of the >> jigsaw? >> Also while Linux 'installs' can easily 'recompile', windows builds are >> necessarily pre-compiled, so what is compiled in and what is available via >> an extension becomes more important. >> >>> On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Lester Caine<lester@lsces.co.uk>  wrote: >>>> >>>> Sebastian Bergmann wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> 1- The same as you wrote. Having it in SPL and in PHP 5.4 >>>>>>> >>>>>>>  2- Have it in PHP 5.4 as an external extension (FIG, PSR or PSG), >>>>>>>  enabled by default. >>>>>>>  3- As an external extension, disabled by default. This would require >>>>>>>  PHP core to reserve the namespace for us. >>>>> >>>>>  You are missing 4: not have it at all (which would get my +1). >>>> >>>> 3 would be acceptable if external extensions were downloaded separately >>>> to >>>> the core distribution ... but I suppose that IS 4 ;) >>>> Isn't it about time we considered a better distribution model for >>>> additions >>>> like this? >> >> >> -- >> Lester Caine - G8HFL >> ----------------------------- >> Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact >> L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk >> EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ >> Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// >> Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php >> >> -- >> PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List >> To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php >> >> >