Re: SplClassLoader RFC Voting phase

Hi Anthony, On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Anthony Ferrara <ircmaxell@gmail.com> wrote: > Actually, I just re-read the RFC again and I noticed something that's > really irksome to me: > >> Implementation extension > >> According to new threads in php-standards list, it seems all derived implementations have >> included these extensions to original support: > >> Multiple paths per namespace >> Silent mode as a flag > >> This turns the RFC specification incompatible with current patch. Patch is going to be >> updated as soon as voting ends. > > And the following: > >> NOTE: This implementation is not the proposed final. It requires two updates: >> * Multiple paths per namespace >> * Silent mode > > If the RFC is changing (which hasn't really been done so with the > exception of a few TODO notes), how can we vote on it?  We're voting > on the RFC which is a moving target? Actually, it's not moving. I enlisted that RFC was still incomplete, I detailed every change that was missing and I even discussed that on the SplClassLoader thread. The comments during the discussion thread is kept. I'm just updating the RFC when I have 5 free minutes. > > I make a formal motion to stop the vote at this time, stabilize and > finalize the RFC and bring that finalized RFC to a vote at a later > date (after at least a reduced round of discussion time has taken > place).  Otherwise what are we really voting on, if we think PSR-0 is > important?  The RFC is about putting in an implementation which as of > now is not fully specified either in text or in example.  How can we > vote on a moving target...? > Again, it's not moving. > Anthony > > On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Anthony Ferrara <ircmaxell@gmail.com> wrote: >> Well, with respect to that, are there any examples of where PHP >> currently "reserves the namespace"?  I can declare functions/classes >> for every single disablable/PECL extension right now.  So is there >> even a method to "reserve a namespace", yet alone enforce that in >> core? >> >> And with respect to the re-compile, what usually happens is that the >> windows builds ship with DLLs of the compiled extensions.  So it's not >> a "part of the core compile", but an extension that can be enabled via >> php.ini (as is currently working with apc, mbstring, mysql, mysqli, >> etc). >> >> Anthony >> >> On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Lester Caine <lester@lsces.co.uk> wrote: >>> Anthony Ferrara wrote: >>>> >>>> Lester, >>>> >>>> I think he was referring to something like the MySQL/bcmath/etc >>>> extension where it ships in core, but is disabled by default (requires >>>> a compile-time option). >>>> >>>> I think what you interpreted it as is basically just what PECL is for >>>> and how it works?  Considering that it would basically be just `pecl >>>> install PSRClassLoader`?  And at that point there's no reason for >>>> anything in the core (even reserving a namespace).  That's how other >>>> extensions (even popular ones like apc) work now... >>>> >>>> Unless I'm misunderstanding what you mean...? >>> >>> Actually the "reserve the namespace" is probably the important piece of the >>> jigsaw? >>> Also while Linux 'installs' can easily 'recompile', windows builds >>> are >>> necessarily pre-compiled, so what is compiled in and what is available via >>> an extension becomes more important. >>> >>>> On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Lester Caine<lester@lsces.co.uk>  wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Sebastian Bergmann wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1- The same as you wrote. Having it in SPL and in PHP 5.4 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>  2- Have it in PHP 5.4 as an external extension (FIG, PSR or PSG), >>>>>>>>  enabled by default. >>>>>>>>  3- As an external extension, disabled by default. This would >>>>>>>> require >>>>>>>>  PHP core to reserve the namespace for us. >>>>>> >>>>>>  You are missing 4: not have it at all (which would get my +1). >>>>> >>>>> 3 would be acceptable if external extensions were downloaded separately >>>>> to >>>>> the core distribution ... but I suppose that IS 4 ;) >>>>> Isn't it about time we considered a better distribution model for >>>>> additions >>>>> like this? >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Lester Caine - G8HFL >>> ----------------------------- >>> Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact >>> L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk >>> EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ >>> Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// >>> Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php >>> >>> -- >>> PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List >>> To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php >>> >>> >> > > -- > PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > -- Guilherme Blanco Mobile: +55 (11) 8118-4422 MSN: guilhermeblanco@hotmail.com São Paulo - SP/Brazil