Re: Is it fair that people with no karma can vote on RFCs?

On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Florian Anderiasch <ml@anderiasch.de> wrote: > On 09/22/2014 08:56 PM, Zeev Suraski wrote: >> The first bullet is the one this thread deals with so far. It clearly >> states that having an SVN account isn't enough - but that code contributions >> to PHP are mandatory. We should probably consider revising that to also >> account for people contributing docs and other types of submissions. I'd >> also consider adding a requirement for contributing at least X commits (say >> 20 or 50) so that someone who did a one-off or two-off patch won't have the >> same vote as someone who contributed hundreds or thousands of commits. I >> believe this data can be easily pulled from git. > > That's a horrible idea. From a very quick unscientific glance at > https://github.com/php/php-src/graphs/contributors there's > only ~50 > people *ever* to have more than 20 commits in php-src. (Incidentally I'm > at the very bottom with 22, should I be happy to just have made the cut > if php-src commits are the only metric?) > > I'm not saying karma could be revoked after a few years, especially if > there were cases where it was given back instantly on return, but this > all sounds like a bureaucratic mess. Also, how do you value people > reproducing bugs, checking the bugtracker, testing every build, etc.pp? > There are a lot of tasks that are a lot more important in every day work > than only writing internals code. > > I don't have a solution ready, but maybe I'm just too much in the middle > ground - not a day to day contributor, but with an account nearly 11 > years old and enough inactivity breaks of months to years I feel > entitled enough to see both sides. also the method is by far buggy, for me at least :) I have way more than 133 commits in php history, maybe got lost somehow in git migration, no idea :) https://www.openhub.net/p/php/contributors?query=&sort=commits shows more but also incomplete, for what php-src contains. The funny part is when we look at the recent, or 1-5 years activity, if we begin to apply such insane filters to allow votes, some may not even vote anymore. In short, let trash this horrible idea. Cheers, -- Pierre @pierrejoye | http://www.libgd.org